Are Infants Really Born Sinless?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by acerrak

surely your not that dumb, i explained the verses to you.
i wash my hands of you.

Originally Posted by acerrak

tell us jacob in your own words please, nothing drawn out, why you think God sends babies to hell. are they little devils? do you hate kids? are you jealous why do you believe God sends them to hell. Just a personal statement

You want a personal statement?

I think you might have commitment issues.

In one post you condemn me to hell and in the post above you wash your hands of me. Now here you are again asking me questions.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The word "children" means offspring. You are someone's child too but I doubt you are a 4 year old arguing you are a sinner going to hell, am I correct?

All "children" indicates here is decedents or offspring not age

Exactly. It is speaking about generations to follow, not the age of people when they are children and not youth or adults. Otherwise, the youth cannot be saved. lol

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The word "children" means offspring. You are someone's child too but I doubt you are a 4 year old arguing you are a sinner going to hell, am I correct?

All "children" indicates here is decedents or offspring not age


Children need to be taught. That is the point in what the bible says. They know not good or evil yet. They need to be taught right from wrong


No see that is where good parenting skills come on. Train up a child in the way he should go we are told. Children are clueless when they are young.


I can only go by what God says

Gen 3:22 And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever,

Deu 1:39 And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.


A 21 year old with the mental ability of a child? Or an adult?


We don't know at what age a child has knowledge of good or evil, the point remains that a child is not instantly born a sinner


Argument from silence. We don't know if any of those households had children let alone the ages. She could have had teen aged boys for all we know

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Children can't be born sinners, see previous verses.

Then here's what I've learned about infants/children within our dialog:

1) All infants are heaven bound

2) The crucifixion of Jesus is worthless to them during the stage of childhood

3) The Blood of Jesus is comparable to dirt to children during the stage of childhood

4) Children are exempt for John 3:5 and don't need to be born of water and spirit as Jesus commanded to enter heaven,

“Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.


and finally

5) The Apostle Paul was an idiot when writing Romans 8:9,

"And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ."

I've learned even though babies have never received the Holy Ghost infilling, they still belong to God, and Apostle Paul was very misleading.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

You want a personal statement?

I think you might have commitment issues.

In one post you condemn me to hell and in the post above you wash your hands of me. Now here you are again asking me questions.

o no i didnt condem you to hell, i was just done debating over you. Im just trying to pick your brain for personal reasons so to speak so the next time i run into some one who thinks like you do. I have a back drop. cause i dont meet to many people who condem babies to hell is all.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

2) The crucifixion of Jesus is worthless to them during the stage of childhood

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Jesus came for the sick. Meaning the sinners. again what sin has a baby committed to break the law? Your just a broken record repeating yourself over and over and over and over.

can you tell me what sin babies have committed because your casting so many stones at the poor things. I mean they cant even defend themselves.

can you list there sins.

what are you condeming them for?

How does a baby going to heaven nullify the cross
doesnt a baby going to hell Nulify Gods grace.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by acerrak

Jesus came for the sick. Meaning the sinners. again what sin has a baby committed to break the law?

As I stated, I've learned from you people that the crucifixion of Jesus is worthless to children during the stage of childhood.

You just stated:

Originally Posted by acerrak

Jesus came for the sick. Meaning the sinners.

So you're saying Jesus didn't come for babies, only sinners. So you're saying Jesus coming was worthless to children, right? How do children profit from Jesus' coming during their childhood if they're sinless? They're already saved according to you, correct?

If you can't answer those questions, all your post will be ignored. Thanks.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Then here's what I've learned about infants/children within our dialog:

1) All infants are heaven bound

yes that is correct until they reach an age where they understand good and evil

2) The crucifixion of Jesus is worthless to them during the stage of childhood

Most things are have no value to children of a young age, not that those things have no value but most children don't understand a lot of concepts or why they happen

3) The Blood of Jesus is comparable to dirt to children during the stage of childhood

Children can't make those sort of devaluations of the blood of Jesus. They neither know good or evil. They are innocent of guilt not that they consider the blood of Jesus as dirt. That is your valuation not theirs

4) Children are exempt for John 3:5 and don't need to be born of water and spirit as Jesus commanded to enter heaven,

Children that don't know good or evil have no need of having their sins forgiven, not having any sins

“Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

Right, again children are in a status Jesus said "such is the kingdom of God"

Your way consigns all infants, newborn babies, to hell

and finally

5) The Apostle Paul was an idiot when writing Romans 8:9,

"And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ."

Again Paul is talking about and to those that have understanding. You thing a newborn infant can read Romans or understands the concepts of good and evil contrary to what the bible says?

I've learned even though babies have never received the Holy Ghost infilling, they still belong to God, and Apostle Paul was very misleading.

I never thought he was misleading. I never once thought when Peter preached Acts 2:38 he was preaching to a group of 6 months old infants, nor when Paul preached or wrote his Epistles was he addressing those that could not even read let alone understand with their ears Hebrew/Aramaic or greek

Children to Paul just did not know good or evil yet, especially evil

1Co 14:20 Brothers, do not be children in your thinking. Be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

yes that is correct until they reach an age where they understand good and evil


Most things are have no value to children of a young age, not that those things have no value but most children don't understand a lot of concepts or why they happen


Children can't make those sort of devaluations of the blood of Jesus. They neither know good or evil. They are innocent of guilt not that they consider the blood of Jesus as dirt. That is your valuation not theirs


Children that don't know good or evil have no need of having their sins forgiven, not having any sins


Right, again children are in a status Jesus said "such is the kingdom of God"

Your way consigns all infants, newborn babies, to hell


Again Paul is talking about and to those that have understanding. You thing a newborn infant can read Romans or understands the concepts of good and evil contrary to what the bible says?


I never thought he was misleading. I never once thought when Peter preached Acts 2:38 he was preaching to a group of 6 months old infants, nor when Paul preached or wrote his Epistles was he addressing those that could not even read let alone understand with their ears Hebrew/Aramaic or greek

Children to Paul just did not know good or evil yet, especially evil

1Co 14:20 Brothers, do not be children in your thinking. Be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature.

So then pretty much everything I learned is correct, yes?

[Praxeas]

Mat 9:12 But when he heard it, he said, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
Mat 9:13 Go and learn what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners."

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

So then pretty much everything I learned is correct, yes?

Prax validated what the bible states, he didnt validate your condeming babies to hell, or making the cross worthless.