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10-28-2014, 02:16 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Esaias
If Jesus is God, and Jesus died, then God died. NOBODY I know of believes God died AS GOD. We all believe God died AS MAN. That is to say, the One who died, the MAN who was crucified, is in fact the Supreme Deity, YHVH, incarnate.
The only reason people get their knickers in a bind when this statement is made is because they have a need to make sure we don't exalt Jesus "too much". Thus we see "oneness" people so-called wanting us to tone it down and "focus more on the humanity" aspect.
And ANY theology which results in "keeping Jesus in his place" is suspect imo.
Yes the Father is greater than the Son and the Son came from thr Father. But JESUS IS THE FATHER. AND THE SON. AND THE HOLY GHOST.
All this effort to "update" our theology will lead to a destination most here can't see and would probably reject if the could see it.
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They don't believe God died as a man. They believe flesh died...whatever that means
This confusion, I believe, is the result of refusing to categorize things into Person and Nature.
Who and What
Who died? God
What died? His human body
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-28-2014, 02:24 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
Is He who died the same He who Eternally existed as God? Or is HE who died someone OTHER than God?
Is He who was tempted the same HE who created everything as God? Or is He who was tempted someone OTHER than He who created everything?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-29-2014, 02:33 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Is He who died the same He who Eternally existed as God?
Or is HE who died someone OTHER than God?
Is He who was tempted the same HE who created everything as God?
Or is He who was tempted someone OTHER than He who created everything?
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These are my questions to everyone
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-29-2014, 06:19 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
These are my questions to everyone
Is He who died the same He who Eternally existed as God?
Or is HE who died someone OTHER than God?
Is He who was tempted the same HE who created everything as God?
Or is He who was tempted someone OTHER than He who created everything? |
Jesus said,
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one. (KJV) Jesus went on to say that this "oneness" was more than merely a union in purpose, mind, or desire. In fact, it is a union of being:
John 12:45
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (KJV) Let's look at how Jesus explained this "oneness" to Phillip:
John 14:7-10
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (KJV) Therefore, while both the Father and the Son are distinct, it is through this union of being that the Father shares in all that the Son is... and the Son shares in all that the Father is.
So, with the above in mind, let's look at your questions:
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Is He who died the same He who Eternally existed as God?
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Yes.
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Or is HE who died someone OTHER than God?
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Yes.
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Is He who was tempted the same HE who created everything as God?
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Yes.
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Or is He who was tempted someone OTHER than He who created everything?
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Yes.
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10-28-2014, 08:23 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
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flesh=son
spirit=father
I am not uncomfortable to use terminology Jesus the son of God are you?
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10-29-2014, 01:43 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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flesh=son
spirit=father
I am not uncomfortable to use terminology Jesus the son of God are you?
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So the Son was not a person? just a flesh (whatever that means)...flesh as in skin?
Who died for your sins? Did someone die for you or was it just something that died?
If someone is He then someone OTHER than God or the same Someone?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-28-2014, 09:06 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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The person who is God both died and cannot die.
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What scripture says this?
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The person who is God was both tempted and cannot be tempted.
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What scripture says this?
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The person who is God did not know the hour of his return and yet he also did know the hour of his return.
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Again I need a scripture.
If you are just putting together the pieces and telling me what you think that is philosophy. I think we are safer just to go by what the Bible says.
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Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily
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10-29-2014, 01:14 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by good samaritan
What scripture says this?
What scripture says this?
Again I need a scripture.
If you are just putting together the pieces and telling me what you think that is philosophy. I think we are safer just to go by what the Bible says.
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Where does the bible say Jesus is God?
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10-29-2014, 04:31 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
Just believe Jesus is God bro. It only affects you if you must explain it to somebody else.
Just think of Him as you pray to Him. You will always be right on in your prayers.
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10-29-2014, 08:40 PM
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Just believe Jesus is God bro. It only affects you if you must explain it to somebody else.
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BWAHAHAHA
LOL LOL
Lulz
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