Why I am Now Convinced of a Pre-Trib Rapture

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Did you read the debate thread between Me and Michael?

We used the KJV and did not quibble over words, just passages and their contexts.

I suggest you see what we were doing to understand.

Irrelevant. The grammatical rules remain. You simply ignore them.

[shag]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Trib already happened folks. Nothing to see here

Pray the flights don't happen in the winter or on the Sabbath









Especially the 10,000's of churches where the winter is always above 70'...?

7th day Adventist in Fla...no worries

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

How tall are you?

Tall enough to be your master.

I need a good lap dog!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Irrelevant. The grammatical rules remain. You simply ignore them.

Just check out the debate between Me and Michael.

I know you didnt. You just think how you think. Thats okay by me.

Just read the debate professor, and post the grammatical errors please...LOL

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Bowas

"...didn't quibble over words?"

That says and explains a lot!!

Bro. Words have meanings and if one doesn't grasp the meaning, whether one uses the KJV or not makes no difference, but words define the thought, and in them the meaning.

How can one arrive at the "context" of a passage without "quibbling" over the words in the passages?

One man's study is another man's quibble.

Did you check out the debate between me and Michael?
No!
Find the grammatical errors and post them!
The subject here is PRE-TRIB rapture.
There was a debate on it, but I dont see some of you discussing that debate.

It seems you guys are more interested in keeping your "beliefs" than investigating what the 2 sides are trying to bring out.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Trib already happened folks. Nothing to see here

Then what are we in, according to prophecy, in the Last 2000 years bro.

Millennial?

Nothing?

Just hanging out with no future prophecies?

Please explain.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean View Post
I would like to just make known, to start, a PRECEDENT that the Bible has consistently given us concerning the wrath of God on the world. When God was sending HIS judgement, (not mans' judgement), the "righteous" were spared from having to face the wrath of God.

Enoch was removed before the worldwide flood.

Noah was removed(in the ark) from the worldwide flood.

Lot was removed prior to the complete destruction by God of Sodom an Gomorrah.

Many times in the O.T., the Lord literally destroyed the armies that were encompassed around Israel(as long as the Lord had declared them RIGHTEOUS)

The 1st century Christians were given a sign to escape the Wrath of God on Jerusalem, through the Roman empire in 70ad.

Jesus promised that tribulation would come, but when the righteous were faced with decimation, God delivered His righteous ones.

The great Tribulation is not about mans wrath on mankind, but GODS' wrath on sinners. The book of Revelation shows us BILLIONS of souls slain BY GOD as the calamities are coming from God Himself. God WILL NOT destroy the righteous with the wicked...our father Abraham got it from the Lord himself here... Gen 18

23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:

28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.

29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.

30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.

31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.

32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.



This is how the Lord operates, prior to HIS WRATH being poured out on mankind. The righteous WILL be removed first, then WRATH will come.

Notice this passage is in the same context as the 'catching away" in 1 Thes. 4....

1 Thessalonians 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

This is my intro, rebuttals will follow...






Just an exerpt of my debate on page 5 with Michael for the super lazy folks that will not use their finger to check it out....LOL

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=46703

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Sean

Originally Posted by Sean View Post
I would like to just make known, to start, a PRECEDENT that the Bible has consistently given us concerning the wrath of God on the world. When God was sending HIS judgement, (not mans' judgement), the "righteous" were spared from having to face the wrath of God.
Enoch was removed before the worldwide flood.
Noah was removed(in the ark) from the worldwide flood.
Lot was removed prior to the complete destruction by God of Sodom an Gomorrah.
Many times in the O.T., the Lord literally destroyed the armies that were encompassed around Israel(as long as the Lord had declared them RIGHTEOUS)
The 1st century Christians were given a sign to escape the Wrath of God on Jerusalem, through the Roman empire in 70ad.
Jesus promised that tribulation would come, but when the righteous were faced with decimation, God delivered His righteous ones.
The great Tribulation is not about mans wrath on mankind, but GODS' wrath on sinners. The book of Revelation shows us BILLIONS of souls slain BY GOD as the calamities are coming from God Himself. God WILL NOT destroy the righteous with the wicked...our father Abraham got it from the Lord himself here... Gen 18
23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.
30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
This is how the Lord operates, prior to HIS WRATH being poured out on mankind. The righteous WILL be removed first, then WRATH will come.
Notice this passage is in the same context as the 'catching away" in 1 Thes. 4....
1 Thessalonians 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
This is my intro, rebuttals will follow...
Just an exerpt of my debate on page 5 with Michael for the super lazy folks that will not use their finger to check it out....LOL

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=46703

Enoch was taken by the Lord;
Noah was saved through the ark, while still in the earth;
Lot was taken from the city, while still in the earth;
The Israelites were separated from the curses in Egypt, in the Land of Nod;
The Church will be given a place in the wilderness, while on earth;
these were all saved from God's tribulation;
however, that was not the the coming of the Lord.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Originally Posted by Sean View Post
I would like to just make known, to start, a PRECEDENT that the Bible has consistently given us concerning the wrath of God on the world. When God was sending HIS judgement, (not mans' judgement), the "righteous" were spared from having to face the wrath of God.

Enoch was removed before the worldwide flood.

Noah was removed(in the ark) from the worldwide flood.

Lot was removed prior to the complete destruction by God of Sodom an Gomorrah.

Many times in the O.T., the Lord literally destroyed the armies that were encompassed around Israel(as long as the Lord had declared them RIGHTEOUS)

The 1st century Christians were given a sign to escape the Wrath of God on Jerusalem, through the Roman empire in 70ad.

Jesus promised that tribulation would come, but when the righteous were faced with decimation, God delivered His righteous ones.

The great Tribulation is not about mans wrath on mankind, but GODS' wrath on sinners. The book of Revelation shows us BILLIONS of souls slain BY GOD as the calamities are coming from God Himself. God WILL NOT destroy the righteous with the wicked...our father Abraham got it from the Lord himself here... Gen 18

23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:

28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.

29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.

30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.

31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.

32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.



This is how the Lord operates, prior to HIS WRATH being poured out on mankind. The righteous WILL be removed first, then WRATH will come.

Notice this passage is in the same context as the 'catching away" in 1 Thes. 4....

1 Thessalonians 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

This is my intro, rebuttals will follow...






Just an exerpt of my debate on page 5 with Michael for the super lazy folks that will not use their finger to check it out....LOL

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=46703

There is nothing new there. You suppose that tribulation and wrath are the same thing. Post tribbers believe they are two different things. Your arguments are not based on grammar. You simply ignore the grammar. Therefore your argument is based on a lie.

[Sean]

Sorry if I dont spell "KAT" right professor....LOL