Apostoic worship??

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Where are the Bible verses stating that "worship must make me feel a certain way or else it is vain and worthless and needs an upgrade"? Or anything remotely approaching that idea?

Nowhere to be found. Some churches push you to do acts of worship until you feel something. Where I’m from we had to create an atmosphere. “Create an atmosphere for God to move” was repeated from the pulpit all the time.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, brother Michael, you love and admire and esteem the worship music of an heretical cult? The heretics really know how to worship God meanwhile the actual churches of God just haven't a clue and don't appeal to you? Heretics can touch the throne (™) and bring down the glory while God's people are just clueless? So, God has raised up all these false teachers and false profits and con artists to bring in Real Divine True Worship© and His church is just left to suck eggs?

How is it that you cannot see the absurdity of such a position?

Do I love and admire the worship from IHOP and some other Charismatic groups? Yes. Are they a heretical cult? In some things yes. Does that mean their praise music is cursed?

Where do YOU draw the line for yourself? While IHOP teaches heresy on the Godhead, new birth and immortal soul, what about Apostolics?

By and large they teach just about as much heresy as IHOP.

Heresies which you yourself acknowledge.

Pre trib. Instant Heaven at death, burning in fire for trillions of years in immortality?

You would say non Sabbath keeping is heresy would you not?

So do you think you feel the anointing or presence of the Holy Spirit when someone who teaches these things that YOU consider heresy?

Do you find yourself shouting and doing a Pentecostal jig when those who believe such things are doing their worship?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Do I love and admire the worship from IHOP and some other Charismatic groups? Yes. Are they a heretical cult? In some things yes. Does that mean their praise music is cursed?

Where do YOU draw the line for yourself? While IHOP teaches heresy on the Godhead, new birth and immortal soul, what about Apostolics?

By and large they teach just about as much heresy as IHOP.

Heresies which you yourself acknowledge.

Pre trib. Instant Heaven at death, burning in fire for trillions of years in immortality?

You would say non Sabbath keeping is heresy would you not?

So do you think you feel the anointing or presence of the Holy Spirit when someone who teaches these things that YOU consider heresy?

Do you find yourself shouting and doing a Pentecostal jig when those who believe such things are doing their worship?

I do not go so far as to claim that heretics who can't even tell you how to be born again have The Best Worship This Side of Heaven™, that's for sure.

[Aquila]

I love the hymn, Great Is Thy Faithfulness. Especially the one by, Selah.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I do not go so far as to claim that heretics who can't even tell you how to be born again have The Best Worship This Side of Heaven™, that's for sure.

I'm sure it rained cats and dogs somewhere last week.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm sure it rained cats and dogs somewhere last week.

Yes, here. Thought it was going to go from cats and dogs to mice and frogs.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Do I love and admire the worship from IHOP and some other Charismatic groups? Yes. Are they a heretical cult? In some things yes. Does that mean their praise music is cursed?

Did I say their music was cursed? Nope, I sure didn't.

Where do YOU draw the line for yourself? While IHOP teaches heresy on the Godhead, new birth and immortal soul, what about Apostolics?

Apostolics don't teach heresy. Apostolics teach the faith and practice of the apostles. Not all oneness Pentecostals are apostolic.

By and large they teach just about as much heresy as IHOP.

I'm sure IHOP teaches every heresy that you could find in a UPC church, PLUS a lot more, like trinitarianism, easy believism, etc PLUS their cultic behavior PLUS their mind-manipulating atmospheric worship methods.

So do you think you feel the anointing or presence of the Holy Spirit when someone who teaches these things that YOU consider heresy?

There is no anointing to teach heresy except what comes from a strong God-sent delusion, or that which is according to the working of satan. I don't judge "anointing" by my emotional state, feeling, or by supposed physical sensations, tingles, shivers, etc. Either the Word is proclaimed faithfully and the Spirit blesses people to believe and receive the Word, which results in "signs following" to confirm the Word, or there's a problem.

Do you find yourself shouting and doing a Pentecostal jig when those who believe such things are doing their worship?

My expressions of praise do not depend on who's doing what, and neither should yours. They should instead reflect your response to God and His majesty.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Which is why you are deceived. If you don't "feel it" means you personally don't care for it. But, behold, God is not bound by your personal "feelings". Whether you " feel it" or not is 110% irrelevant to whether or not there is spiritual life in "it". At best it might indicate you are the one with no life or spiritual perception. Our feelings are no gauge of whether something is of God, or not, or acceptable to Him, or not, or desired by Him, or not.

Αμεν! I spoke with some oneness people that participate in that kind of worship and they are almost like charismatics! When they see people falling down, running, laughing, walk like dogs etc. they think "Here is the presence of God"!!!!

Of course feelings are designed by God and we react with feelings in the presence of God. But not the opposite! In those circles they fallow feelings instinct of the Holy Spirit.
Again the Spirit doe not react to our feelings and worshiping atmosphere , but our feelings can react to the presence of God and the move of the Holy Spirit can make the atmosphere He wants.

People can be deceived those last times just because every one trust their one heart !

[peter83]

Does God accept whatever worship?

Who gives the "atmosphere" in the church? The Spirit or the people?

Does our worship move the Spirit? or the Spirit move our worship?

Does our feelings influence the presence of God? or the presence of God change our feelings?


When i was in the world i loved rock n roll music! I liked the rhythm, the melody , the dancing etc. Now in Christ i dont listen anymore to this kind of music.
Is it best to give up this kind of music for God?
Or is best to just bring that music i loved to the church and change the lyrics?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Yes, here. Thought it was going to go from cats and dogs to mice and frogs.

My point was that I believe the words, "The Best Worship This Side of Heaven", was just a personal idiom. Sure, he likes it a lot. But I'm sure he doesn't mean that it is literally true in every sense. I get the impression that he just likes their style of worship music.