Are Trinitarians Saved? - Page 24

Jason B · #**231** 03-31-2018, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RachelRose

Joel scares the daylights out of me. I cannot put my finger on it but he scares me.

I can. He doesn't preach the gospel. I've never vouched for Joel Osteen, that's what happens when people believe EBs garbage. In fact I'd agree with this man, whom EB says is a rebrobate and a devil....is this the preaching of a devil?

https://youtu.be/DRjGuAp-ic4

Jason B · #**232** 03-31-2018, 10:35 PM

https://youtu.be/jDuDN2FtrIo

Aquila · #**233** 03-31-2018, 11:03 PM

How would a Christianity infected with paganism look?

It would have a paganized theology on God. It would have rituals and practices rooted in older pagan practices. It would also celebrate pagan festivals.

Every pagan religion has a triadic expression of their chief God's.

Hindus believe in Brahman, who is primarily revealed as Brahma, Shiva, and Vishnu. Are they saved?

Jason B · #**234** 04-01-2018, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

How would a Christianity infected with paganism look?

We don't have to ask this as a hypothetical, we have several examples of a form of Christianity mixed with real paganism in South America, Africa, and Asia. It is a Christianity which conforms to the paganism of the culture, rather than transforming the people and culture around it.

I don't believe you can assert that all trinitarian Christianity is equal to paganism with any degree of credibility.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Hindus believe in Brahman, who is primarily revealed as Brahma, Shiva, and Vishnu. Are they saved?

No.

There's a big difference between Hinduism and trinitarian Christianity.

Hinduism believes in a triad of 3 gods. They also believe in millions of other gods. And carma and reincarnation. Nothing they believe helps them deal with sin or enlightens them to truth. They need the gospel.

Trinitarians, believe the gospel of Jesus Christ and trust solely on Him for salvation.

Huge difference.

Jason B · #**235** 04-01-2018, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

How would a Christianity infected with paganism look?

It would have a paganized theology on God. It would have rituals and practices rooted in older pagan practices. It would also celebrate pagan festivals.

Eliminate every oneness church having an Easter egg hunt today.
Be consistent. They are partaking in paganism.

Esaias · #**236** 04-01-2018, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bro, it isn't as simple as you would hope.

Everyone wants to go to heaven, just no one wants to die to get there.

Aren't the rivers of Abana and Pharpar better than that old muddy Jesus name water we use?

Aquila · #**237** 04-01-2018, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason B

Chris you really flip flopped. So now you are gung ho oneness apostolic again? Trinitarians are pagan? You flipped a switch from univeralism, to Sabbath keeping, to house church, to nudism, to ultra left political views, back to Dominic Benincasa type wholesale condemnation of essentially all trinitarians?

If you believe accusations, and exaggerations, you might think that.

I entertained universalism. Played the devils advocate. I asked questions in hypothetical. I tried it on so, to speak, and examined its strengths and weaknesses. But if memory serves me correctly, I said it sounds too good to be true, and that if it is true, I'll not be disappointed.

I'm still on the fence when it comes to to Sabbath keeping. I admit that. I need to give it more study.

I still firmly believe in house church, and would take an Apostolic house church over an institutional church any day.

I still believe that in the right context, like the privacy of one's own home or some other private venue, being nude can be enjoyable, fun, and even healthy. But not in church or when generally out in public. Occasional nudism isn't about sex, only defiled minds are fixated on it being so. Hence the term, naturism. It's about holistic living, freedom, and relaxation. Stress reduction. We'll probably go camping and skinny dip this summer. But if we choose to, that's our business. No one else's.

I've never been ultra left. I've explained that time and time again. My biggest agreement on the left is healthcare, corporate greed, and the environment.

If you don't embrace the accusations and exaggerations made against me, and believe what I tell you about my positions, you wouldn't find yourself believing all the mischaracterizations and wondering what happened when I don't fit the mold of those accusations.

My position on Trinitarians hasn't changed either. Barring a sovereign act of divine mercy, I don't think a Trinitarian will make it. Might God have mercy and save some? I pray He does. But I can't offer assurance outside of Acts 2:38. I commend their souls to God, and leave it there. I've always said this.

And still, you inflate a false narrative that I've shifted into a Benincasa style fundamentalism. Another mischaracterization.

Stop being so extreme and actually listen to my words.