The Persecution of Women in the Church

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

That may be true ILG, but one must learn to be consistent and to not dogmatically attack when others do not agree with their dogma. It only takes one false prophecy to make one a false prophet. Does this apply to other things as well?

Rhoni,

I love the church.

I love the ministry.

When anyone seems to be attacking with broad brush accusations something I love, I am going to get defensive.

You have often seemed to me to do exactly that.

You see, the Church is a lady. She is my mother.

I will defend my mother even from another woman.

Since this is an environment where Mama has been attacked and criticized a lot lately, I may be a little quick on the trigger.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

That doesn't mean women have to tolerate abuse from anybody. Male or female alike. If any women is in an abusive relatonship, she needs to seek counseling from a competant professional that can help her see the way more cleary. This may not be someone in the church either. Choices have consequences and if a man chooses to be abusive even int he pulpit, he shold know people are free to leave that abuse.

Not when the pastor is the be all and end all.

Originally Posted by ILG

Right. You act like I was disagreeing!!

I completely agree. The thing is, women can never be equal unless men let them be, which will never happen as a whole (not saying we shouldn't try) because lots of men are jerks. It takes a real man to lift up a woman.

Thanks, Ill take that as a compliment, after all I am the one who wrote the thread...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Rhoni,

I love the church.

I love the ministry.

When anyone seems to be attacking with broad brush accusations something I love, I am going to get defensive.

You have often seemed to me to do exactly that.

You see, the Church is a lady. She is my mother.

I will defend my mother even from another woman.

Rhetoric.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

That may be true ILG, but one must learn to be consistent and to not dogmatically attack when others do not agree with their dogma. It only takes one false prophecy to make one a false prophet. Does this apply to other things as well?

CS dogmatically attacks because he thinks it's God's will. I guess I separate that from his character (although I know it is part of who he is). I just like him anyway and look past it. I think he's a great guy even though he can be annoying as all get-out when it comes to being bullheaded about his pet doctrines and all.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Felicity

What I was defending was not men generally although ..... well, we'll skip it for now. LOL.

I was defending the 1) God-given principle and 2) the God-given placement of male authority under God's authority.

The thing is Felicity, if I understand my scripture right...there is no bond or free, no male or female in God's kingdom. If a married couple are one; then that does not mean the man is a status above his wife, but he has the responsibility of covering the woman and making any decisions that they cannot agree on which is a protection for his wife.

Unfortunately some men cannot handle this God-given role and abuse the position to manipulate and control women to keep them in a subordinate position. You may not have experienced this, and I am glad for you, but I have seen it and know many that suffer from the abuse of power.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

That doesn't mean women have to tolerate abuse from anybody. Male or female alike. If any women is in an abusive relatonship, she needs to seek counseling from a competant professional that can help her see the way more cleary. This may not be someone in the church either. Choices have consequences and if a man chooses to be abusive even int he pulpit, he shold know people are free to leave that abuse.

LOL! I just left my job as a domestic abuse advocate. I know a couple of things about that!

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by ILG

CS dogmatically attacks because he thinks it's God's will. I guess I separate that from his character (although I know it is part of who he is). I just like him anyway and look past it. I think he's a great guy even though he can be annoying as all get-out when it comes to being bullheaded about his pet doctrines and all.

ILG,

The truth is..I believe you. Bro. Strange told me that CS is a wonderful and humble kind of guy. I am sure that if I met him in person that we would like each other better than we do now. I know one thing...I just love Sis. CS - she's a very wonderful and intelligent person so he must be all right if she thinks so.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Rhetoric.

Dan,

Disagreeing with or even ridiculing my beliefs is one thing, but when you imply that I am insincere in my posts, and just spouting rhetoric, you have made it a personal attack.

I really don't mind, but I thought I would point it out.

I am going coon hunting here in just a minute or two, so you all have fun.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Felicity

The initial post of this thread is what caught my attention and why I decided to respond.

I would like to know how women are being "persecuted" in the church today as I know it, have lived it, have experienced it and have pastored it --- "it" referring to the church.

Because a woman has been told she can't wear red or a hair bow or jewelry or makeup ..... this is supposed to constitute "persecution"? What a laugh!!

I know women and men today who are being persecuted for their faith in real terms. They're thrown into jails and prisons, suffer beatings, repeated raping, starvation and even death because of their faith. This is what I think of when I think of "persecution". I certainly never considered my pastor teaching me that I shouldn't cut my hair or wear shorts or pants as "persecution". I wouldn't consider the fact that woman isn't accepted for "ordination" as persecution either.

**Bump for crazyhomie**

I was really hoping you would respond to this bro.