End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

I have never said a woman is the head of the home....

[Sister Alvear]

No godly women would even be interested in lording over men...

[Sister Alvear]

It is a DANGEROUS THING to attempt to silence ANYBODY who has been chosen BY GOD to deliver a SACRED MESSAGE!

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I have never said a woman is the head of the home....

No but you using Huldah as an "authoritative" example believe that a woman can take authority in the church.

Sis Alvear, here is the dilemma that you refuse to answer, it is your argument that 1Tim 2:12 deals with instructions to a husband and wife, this is far more conservative than even my position on this, because I am saying the woman has more liberties in the home than what you by inference grant them. I believe a husband and a wife ought to have discussions about the scripture at home, Paul did not contradict himself in 1 Cor 14:35 by stating a woman should aske her husband at home. But no, according to you, that woman has to learn in silence, with all subjection AT HOME. Yet, you turn around and say she can be in charge at church!

Would you please deal with this instead of making a one sentence reply?

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

It is a DANGEROUS THING to attempt to silence ANYBODY who has been chosen BY GOD to deliver a SACRED MESSAGE!

I don't believe you have been chosen by God to go against what he inspired in the Holy Bible.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Even at Thyatira (one of the seven churches of Asia Minor), the church had a woman teaching (Revelation 2:18-29). Listen to what Jesus said about this woman who calls herself a prophetess: Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess.

.................. God did not condemn her (Jezebel) for teaching, but rather, He condemned her for what she was teaching—“sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols” (2:20).

She was rebuked for wrongful teaching…
not for the fact that she did teach in the Church

Still copying/pasting the same ol' erroneous material that has been refuted for years now - somehow in your mind I guess you think if you quote error enough times it transfers over to orthodoxy ?

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Huldah spoke a prophetic word to the king and the high priest regarding the interpretation of the Scriptures found in Deut. 29:25-27 which had been troubling the king. (II Kings 22:8-20, II Chron 34:14-28) It also occurred in the prophecy of Mary (Lk. 1:46-56), who quoted several psalms and applied them to her divine pregnancy.


Umm, no, Mary's "prophecy" did not expound upon Scripture - Let's take look-see, shall we?


First, for context, Elizabeth's prophetical utterance (no expounding from Scripture):


41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 And she cried out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me? 44 For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy. 45 And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what had been spoken to her by the Lord.”


The Magnificat

46 And Mary said:

“My soul exalts the Lord,
47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
48 “For He has had regard for the humble state of His bondslave;
For behold, from this time on all generations will count me blessed.
49 “For the Mighty One has done great things for me;
And holy is His name.


RDP: This is the only "prophesy" in Mary's song of jubilation - Precisely where does she "quote several Psalms" in her prophesy above:___________?


50 “And His mercy is upon generation after generation
Toward those who fear Him.
51 “He has done mighty deeds with His arm;
He has scattered those who were proud in the thoughts of their heart.
52 “He has brought down rulers from their thrones,
And has exalted those who were humble.
53 “He has filled the hungry with good things;
And sent away the rich empty-handed.
54 “He has given help to Israel His servant,
In remembrance of His mercy,
55 As He spoke to our fathers,
To Abraham and his descendants forever.”




RDP: Note Mary's usage of what God "has" done (past tense verb-description) - not "will" do (future tense "prophecy").


This is where Mary's song ceases - where are deriving FROM THE TEXT ALONE that Mary was expounding upon Scripture in this song of jubilation ? In fact, the prophecy I have bolded in RED above fits perfectly with the lexical definition of the Greek verb translated "prophecy":


"To break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or in praise of the divine counsels: Luke 1:67; Acts 19:6 (1 Samuel 10:10, 11; 1 Samuel 19:20, 21, etc.); — or, under the like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others (see προφήτης, II. 1 f.), 1 Corinthians 11:4, 5;



Ignore it until doomsday Sis. - Will still be there!





Many other examples could be given, but these should suffice to demonstrate the relatedness of prophecy, teaching and proclaiming "God's Word."


No, you have not provided one biblical record of a women expounding upon Scripture to men (which has been the question all along) - "keep looking" !




As a side note, it is interesting that both Mary and Elizabeth prophesied the inspired words of Scripture in Luke 1:39-56 at a time when Zechariah, Elizabeth's husband and a Jewish priest, was unable to speak due to his lack of faith in the angel's inspired message. (copied)

Umm, how do you think this validates women instructing men in the NT church from the Scriptures - esp. since both Elizabeth & Mary's prophecy were directed at one another - & not men (regardless, neither of them expounded from the Scriptures to men) !

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Huldah explained the scriptures....

Ummm, no she didn't - please point us to the Scriptural record of this baseless assertion:_____________?



New International Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

New Living Translation
I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.

English Standard Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

New American Standard Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

King James Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent.

NET Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For I do not allow a woman to teach, neither to usurp over a man, but she should be quiet;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I don't allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. Instead, she should be quiet.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a mature man, but to be at rest.

King James 2000 Bible
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American King James Version
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American Standard Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.

Darby Bible Translation
but I do not suffer a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over man, but to be in quietness;

English Revised Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Webster's Bible Translation
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Weymouth New Testament
I do not permit a woman to teach, nor have authority over a man, but she must remain silent.

World English Bible
But I don't permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness.



Still there & still means exactly what it says to the NT church - despite how hard you attempt to erase it !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

It is a DANGEROUS THING to attempt to silence ANYBODY who has been chosen BY GOD to deliver a SACRED MESSAGE!

No, it is a "DANGEROUS THING" to attempt to speak & teach the Scriptures to men in the church - when "GOD" is the One who absolutely forbid the practice.


You've got it diametrically backwards !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by RJR

No but you using Huldah as an "authoritative" example believe that a woman can take authority in the church.

Sis Alvear, here is the dilemma that you refuse to answer, it is your argument that 1Tim 2:12 deals with instructions to a husband and wife, this is far more conservative than even my position on this, because I am saying the woman has more liberties in the home than what you by inference grant them. I believe a husband and a wife ought to have discussions about the scripture at home, Paul did not contradict himself in 1 Cor 14:35 by stating a woman should ask her husband at home. But no, according to you, that woman has to learn in silence, with all subjection AT HOME. Yet, you turn around and say she can be in charge at church!

Would you please deal with this instead of making a one sentence reply?

Originally Posted by RJR

I don't believe you have been chosen by God to go against what he inspired in the Holy Bible.

And let all the church say, "Amen!"

[rdp]

Originally Posted by RJR

Was Huldah in church, what Huldah did in the college as she "communed" with them 2 Kings 22:14, is what a woman can do in church she prophesied or foretold waht was to take place. She was not preaching a sermon or expositing from scripture. Huldah was not a priest, a preacher, a bishop, a deacon, a evangelist, a elder. She was a woman who God used in the OT just like he can use a woman to prophesy in the New Testament. Sis Alvear, say what you want to when it comes to manipulating the scripture, you still do not have Huldah IN THE church house teaching men.

Exactly - But really, we should handle this situation with gloves inasmuch as we don't want to be seen as "harassing" Sis. Alvear (though apparently she gets a free pass) ! Could get us "banned" - & I know how many sleepless nights that would cause us !

Originally Posted by RJR

According to you a woman cannot even teach her husband in the home, where in your view of the scriptures do you find one who is so limited in the home can do at church with someone elses husband, what God would not allow her to do with her own?

Sounds kinda unusual and strange to me.

Originally Posted by RJR

Mary was not in church giving a didactic instruction to men. Huldah did not turn to a chapter in scripture and say tonight my subject is...

Yes, Sis Alvear make a statement like this concerning Zechariah and Joseph and turn right around and run for cover and say you are only a voice, and God did not call you to preach. Your agenda is showing again, you are promoting women doing something God forbids them to do.

Verily, Verily !

Originally Posted by RJR

So the Corinthian church was free to view Paul's instructions as suggestions and maybe all scripture is not inspired of God?

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I have never promoted women doing something God told them not to do...lol...

Yes M'aam - You have been openly doing so for years by putting out misinformation about supposed "women-teachers-preachers" in the church, then stubbornly refusing to recant when your error is shown to you !


But, no worries, we'll be here to continue to catch you in your errors - doesn't matter to me if this thread lasts all year !

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RJR

So the Corinthian church was free to view Paul's instructions as suggestions and maybe all scripture is not inspired of God?

Instructions? No. This one singular instruction Paul said "I do not permit"?