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03-22-2010, 12:02 PM
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Re: Noah and the Ark
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Here is an excellent example of the fruit of evolutionary thinking. If you can't believe what the Bible says how can you believe it's message? I firmly believe in what the Bible says. I believe that one day so call "science" will be shown to be false and God's Word true to it's natural reading.
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Just curious as to how this will be accomplished. Just curious as to your thoughts on this.
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03-22-2010, 07:06 PM
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Re: Noah and the Ark
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The truth is that the Bible is full of myth and fallacy. It CANNOT be believed. It's been debunked thoroughly and I find it silly that so many wish to debate it. Here we see that even those who call themselves Christian are debunking it.
So here's my question. Since the Bible has been so thoroughly been debunked, why do any of you need to continue holding on to your invisible friend as security blanket? Face it. There is no God. No miracles. You're alone to live your life as you choose and you will face the results of your choices making your life enjoyable or painful.
It's time to grow up people.
If the test of a Christian is HONESTY an honest person would tell the truth. The notion of "God" is something that mankind needed in it's infancy. We don't need religion or god today.
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You know what would be ironic? Is if you were just another member here who is a Christian, here pretending to be an Atheist after claiming to be a believer...and talking about Christians being honest.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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03-22-2010, 08:16 PM
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Re: Noah and the Ark
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You know what would be ironic? Is if you were just another member here who is a Christian, here pretending to be an Atheist after claiming to be a believer...and talking about Christians being honest.
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I tend to be skeptical because he is so abrasive. Either way, whether he is an athiest or an alter ego, doesn't change what God's done in my life. 
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03-22-2010, 07:50 PM
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Re: Noah and the Ark
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Originally Posted by SlowFade
The truth is that the Bible is full of myth and fallacy. It CANNOT be believed. It's been debunked thoroughly and I find it silly that so many wish to debate it. Here we see that even those who call themselves Christian are debunking it.
So here's my question. Since the Bible has been so thoroughly been debunked, why do any of you need to continue holding on to your invisible friend as security blanket? Face it. There is no God. No miracles. You're alone to live your life as you choose and you will face the results of your choices making your life enjoyable or painful.
It's time to grow up people.
If the test of a Christian is HONESTY an honest person would tell the truth. The notion of "God" is something that mankind needed in it's infancy. We don't need religion or god today.
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I have a 9 year old child in the other room who is living proof contradicting everything you said.
She's the one on the right side of my avatar. She was crippled on the right side of here body. She saw specialists at Cooks Children Fort Worth, later Children's Miracle Network in Dallas, and then Scottish Rite Children's Hospital. I was told she would never be like the other children, and told it would be best to keep her out of public school (by the doctors at Scottish Rite). Their plan was to do hip replacement and possible knee replacement surgery. I will spare many details here, as I have posted this on AFF before, but the end result was God healed her in December 2004, (there never was a surgery, and we never went bck to the childrens hospitals again) she has been healed, lives a normal childhood, and is playing softball for the first time this year.
God is good. Your doubt and blindness will cause you to miss the greatest blessings in life, as well as live a life that means nothing, for only in Christ is the meaning of life found. 
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
Last edited by Jason B; 03-22-2010 at 07:59 PM.
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03-22-2010, 09:27 AM
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Re: Noah and the Ark
What I find funny is that you admit that the Bible is so outlandish it can't be believed and yet you cling to the God it supposedly describes. The agnostic "higher power" who knows no religion is more likely to exist than a God who supposedly bends the laws of science. Get real.
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03-22-2010, 09:44 AM
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Re: Noah and the Ark
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Originally Posted by SlowFade
What I find funny is that you admit that the Bible is so outlandish it can't be believed and yet you cling to the God it supposedly describes. The agnostic "higher power" who knows no religion is more likely to exist than a God who supposedly bends the laws of science. Get real.
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God isn't subject to the laws of science. Nor his God confined by space or time.
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03-22-2010, 10:08 AM
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Re: Noah and the Ark
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God isn't subject to the laws of science. Nor is God confined by space or time.
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Technically and theologically we are in agreement. However, could a case be made that just as Jesus Christ (the "God-man") emptied Himself and became subject to the "laws of science" (laws of nature really, science merely observes what nature is doing) that God also "empties" Himself at times (perhaps most of the time?) and allows "nature to take it's course?"
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03-22-2010, 10:10 AM
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Re: Noah and the Ark
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Originally Posted by pelathais
Technically and theologically we are in agreement. However, could a case be made that just as Jesus Christ (the "God-man") emptied Himself and became subject to the "laws of science" (laws of nature really, science merely observes what nature is doing) that God also "empties" Himself at times (perhaps most of the time?) and allows "nature to take it's course?"
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When looking at our lives and at nature itself I just don't see miracles and God's intervention all the time.
However, when I take a step back and look at "all the time" - the whole thing appears miraculous and I see the handiwork of God.
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03-22-2010, 11:59 AM
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Re: Noah and the Ark
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Originally Posted by pelathais
When looking at our lives and at nature itself I just don't see miracles and God's intervention all the time.
However, when I take a step back and look at "all the time" - the whole thing appears miraculous and I see the handiwork of God.
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I see beauty in nature's order. No need for an invisible friend to find beauty. A beautiful sunset is the result of physics and natural causes... not a divine hand.
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03-22-2010, 11:57 AM
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Re: Noah and the Ark
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Originally Posted by pelathais
Technically and theologically we are in agreement. However, could a case be made that just as Jesus Christ (the "God-man") emptied Himself and became subject to the "laws of science" (laws of nature really, science merely observes what nature is doing) that God also "empties" Himself at times (perhaps most of the time?) and allows "nature to take it's course?"
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Another outlandish "case" can be made yes. The Bible can't be believed. Why perpetuate this silliness? lol
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