Apostoic worship??

[houston]

I challenge you with this. I think you've drifted from the more spiritual path that embraces spiritual experiences, visions, and practices to embrace an unbalanced position of rationalism and skepticism. You'd condemn the Apostolic seers, healers, visionaries, and prophets among us because they don't measure up to your dusty old, spiritually dead, pseudo-intellectualism that denounces any spiritual experience or seeking that might challenge your rationalistic interpretation of Scripture.

This is like a revision of Tommy Tenney’s God Chasers.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by houston

This is like a revision of Tommy Tenney’s God Chasers.

Never read it. It came out back when I was rock solid UPCI or bust. lol

[Aquila]

Based on what I'm reading on this thread... the New Apostolic Pentecostalism you guys are advocating for should meet the following criteria:

1.) One must have no emotion or emotional response to music, prayer, or impressions from the Spirit. Emotion is dangerous.
2.) Question all impressions from the Holy Spirit that result from any state of worship or study of Scripture. Impressions and leadings are dangerous.
3.) Don't contemplate Scriptural truths, the divine names, or specific words or concepts of Scripture, and definitely don't speak them out loud. Contemplation is dangerous.
4.) Don't breathe or relax during prayer. Using breathing techniques to relax is dangerous.
5.) Never use music as a tool to bring mind and spirit into harmony. Music is dangerous.
6.) Experiencing and enjoying the presence of God is strongly discouraged. Experiencing God is dangerous.
7.) There is no benefit in experiencing the presence of God. Benefiting from God's presence is dangerous.
8.) There is no benefit for experiencing the presence of God because we're not to experience anything. Experiences are dangerous.
9.) There is no power to be received or utilized through the Holy Spirit. Believing in such authority and power is dangerous.
10.) Any music outside of that written and performed by Apostolics who conform to these expectations is to be rejected. Non-Apostolic music is dangerous.
11.) Anything anyone does outside of this paradigm makes them a witch.
12.) Dancing, exuberant, emotion filled worship is silly and charismatic. Dancing, exuberance, and emotion filled worship is dangerous.

Essentially, the above is what I'm gathering here. I've been a born again Pentecostal for over 25 years. I can honestly say that there has never been a more anti-Apostolic Pentecostal position than the above. Yet those who would disagree are castigated as being the "witches".

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Based on what I'm reading on this thread... the New Apostolic Pentecostalism you guys are advocating for should meet the following criteria:

1.) One must have no emotion or emotional response to music, prayer, or impressions from the Spirit. Emotion is dangerous.
2.) Question all impressions from the Holy Spirit that result from any state of worship or study of Scripture. Impressions and leadings are dangerous.
3.) Don't contemplate Scriptural truths, the divine names, or specific words or concepts of Scripture, and definitely don't speak them out loud. Contemplation is dangerous.
4.) Don't breathe or relax during prayer. Using breathing techniques to relax is dangerous.
5.) Never use music as a tool to bring mind and spirit into harmony. Music is dangerous.
6.) Experiencing and enjoying the presence of God is strongly discouraged. Experiencing God is dangerous.
7.) There is no benefit in experiencing the presence of God. Benefiting from God's presence is dangerous.
8.) There is no benefit for experiencing the presence of God because we're not to experience anything. Experiences are dangerous.
9.) There is no power to be received or utilized through the Holy Spirit. Believing in such authority and power is dangerous.
10.) Any music outside of that written and performed by Apostolics who conform to these expectations is to be rejected. Non-Apostolic music is dangerous.
11.) Anything anyone does outside of this paradigm makes them a witch.
12.) Dancing, exuberant, emotion filled worship is silly and charismatic. Dancing, exuberance, and emotion filled worship is dangerous.

Essentially, the above is what I'm gathering here. I've been a born again Pentecostal for over 25 years. I can honestly say that there has never been a more anti-Pentecostal position than the above.

That's a blatant mischaracterization of what's been said here.

In a nutshell it's this: worship isn't about the "feelz." It's not about music at all. It certainly isn't occult practices such as centering, contemplative prayer, soaking, burning candles or incense while mumbling a mantra.

#StopIt

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

That's a blatant mischaracterization of what's been said here.

In a nutshell it's this: worship isn't about the "feelz." It's not about music at all. It certainly isn't occult practices such as centering, contemplative prayer, soaking, burning candles or incense while mumbling a mantra.

#StopIt

Maybe you haven't argued for everything noted. But you've argued for some of it. The other things are contributions I've pulled from others as they brow beat Michael over liking music from a church that was deemed to be too "charismatic" or something.

I think some throw the occult accusation around far too much for it to have any serious weight. But based on your post above, now we can add the following to the list:

1.) No "feelz". Feelz are dangerous. (Do "feelz" mean "feelings"?)
2.) No seeking to feel centered. Being centered in prayer is dangerous.
3.) No contemplation regarding God or the truths of the Bible. Contemplation is dangerous.
4.) No candles. Candles are dangerous.
5.) No incense. Incense is dangerous.

Got it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Maybe you haven't argued for everything noted. But you've argued for some of it. The other things are contributions I've pulled from others as they brow beat Michael over liking music from a church that was deemed to be too "charismatic" or something.

I think some throw the occult accusation around far too much for it to have any serious weight. But based on your post above, now we can add the following to the list:

1.) No "feelz". Feelz are dangerous. (Do "feelz" mean "feelings"?)
2.) No seeking to feel centered. Being centered in prayer is dangerous.
3.) No contemplation regarding God or the truths of the Bible. Contemplation is dangerous.
4.) No candles. Candles are dangerous.
5.) No incense. Incense is dangerous.

Got it.

He isn't throwing anything around flippantly. Neither was Esaias when he used the word witch. You know what they meant, and why they posted what they posted. The whole soaked in the word stuff is a little weird.

Sadly, Huston's meme is what comes to mind.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

He isn't throwing anything around flippantly. Neither was Esaias when he used the word witch. You know what they meant, and why they posted what they posted. The whole soaked in the word stuff is a little weird.

Sadly, Huston's meme is what comes to mind.

Now saying that the whole thought of "soaking" in prayer, or in the word, is "weird" is fair. It is fair because those who have not heard the term in that context may very well find it weird. This allows the individual to perhaps explain what "soaking prayer" is to them, and how they have experienced it, instead of just assuming that what they mean and calling them a witch.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Maybe you haven't argued for everything noted. But you've argued for some of it. The other things are contributions I've pulled from others as they brow beat Michael over liking music from a church that was deemed to be too "charismatic" or something.

I think some throw the occult accusation around far too much for it to have any serious weight. But based on your post above, now we can add the following to the list:

1.) No "feelz". Feelz are dangerous. (Do "feelz" mean "feelings"?)
2.) No seeking to feel centered. Being centered in prayer is dangerous.
3.) No contemplation regarding God or the truths of the Bible. Contemplation is dangerous.
4.) No candles. Candles are dangerous.
5.) No incense. Incense is dangerous.

Got it.

Do you have an honest bone in your body? That's not at all what I said.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Do you have an honest bone in your body? That's not at all what I said.

So, all those things are okay?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Based on what I'm reading on this thread... the New Apostolic Pentecostalism you guys are advocating for should meet the following criteria:

1.) One must have no emotion or emotional response to music, prayer, or impressions from the Spirit. Emotion is dangerous.
2.) Question all impressions from the Holy Spirit that result from any state of worship or study of Scripture. Impressions and leadings are dangerous.
3.) Don't contemplate Scriptural truths, the divine names, or specific words or concepts of Scripture, and definitely don't speak them out loud. Contemplation is dangerous.
4.) Don't breathe or relax during prayer. Using breathing techniques to relax is dangerous.
5.) Never use music as a tool to bring mind and spirit into harmony. Music is dangerous.
6.) Experiencing and enjoying the presence of God is strongly discouraged. Experiencing God is dangerous.
7.) There is no benefit in experiencing the presence of God. Benefiting from God's presence is dangerous.
8.) There is no benefit for experiencing the presence of God because we're not to experience anything. Experiences are dangerous.
9.) There is no power to be received or utilized through the Holy Spirit. Believing in such authority and power is dangerous.
10.) Any music outside of that written and performed by Apostolics who conform to these expectations is to be rejected. Non-Apostolic music is dangerous.
11.) Anything anyone does outside of this paradigm makes them a witch.
12.) Dancing, exuberant, emotion filled worship is silly and charismatic. Dancing, exuberance, and emotion filled worship is dangerous.

Essentially, the above is what I'm gathering here. I've been a born again Pentecostal for over 25 years. I can honestly say that there has never been a more anti-Apostolic Pentecostal position than the above. Yet those who would disagree are castigated as being the "witches".

You obviously either can't read plain English, or you have an agenda.