Will drinking beer send you to hell?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

That’s ignorant.

You and everyone on here is going to have a hard time trying to get someone that likes to smoke cigarettes off them. You drink wine, beer or any alcoholic beverage your spirit is flawed. Your ok with alcohol, then your fine with pornography, they go hand in hand. Your ok with gambling, it goes hand in hand. Your ok with pharmaceutical depression mind altering medicine (some of you are ok with that!) it goes hand in hand. To even think some of you would be ok with it, is disheartening! Shame on everyone of you. Your going to post here and say your saved, you have the spirit of Christ and the Holy Ghost inside you is ok if you drink alcohol, your not saved your just a charismatic loose living obeying another voice, saint of something else.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you,

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Some of you are guided from another spirit. I know the lot of you don’t believe in anything except what you read. Yet you’ll use this word to bring your damnation.

You’re kidding, right?

You have said things that are NOT true Brother. You have trashed the character of my pastor. Who is no doubt a better man than you ever hope to be. Aaaand you are demonstrating a spirit of Phariseeism that is unreal!

Brother, get hold of yourself. Exercise a little self control. Drinking wine or beer is hand in hand with pornography? Gambling?

Have you ever known anyone who drank moderately, yet was opposed to smoking?

Paul instructed Timothy to use a little wine for his belly’s sake! So you think he was lost for doing so?

Did Timothy fall into pornography? Gambling? Even drunkenness?

Boy, you need to get a reality check!

Allow the Spirit to lead and guide you into ALL truth.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

So they don’t believe your natural man can be affected by sickness through being by someone that is sick, or not taking care of your self. They believe it just happens.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

That’s ignorant.

You and everyone on here is going to have a hard time trying to get someone that likes to smoke cigarettes off them. You drink wine, beer or any alcoholic beverage your spirit is flawed. Your ok with alcohol, then your fine with pornography, they go hand in hand. Your ok with gambling, it goes hand in hand. Your ok with pharmaceutical depression mind altering medicine (some of you are ok with that!) it goes hand in hand. To even think some of you would be ok with it, is disheartening! Shame on everyone of you. Your going to post here and say your saved, you have the spirit of Christ and the Holy Ghost inside you is ok if you drink alcohol, your not saved your just a charismatic loose living obeying another voice, saint of something else.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you,

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Some of you are guided from another spirit. I know the lot of you don’t believe in anything except what you read. Yet you’ll use this word to bring your damnation.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You’re kidding, right?

You have said things that are NOT true Brother. You have trashed the character of my pastor. Who is no doubt a better man than you ever hope to be. Aaaand you are demonstrating a spirit of Phariseeism that is unreal!

Brother, get hold of yourself. Exercise a little self control. Drinking wine or beer is hand in hand with pornography? Gambling?

Have you ever known anyone who drank moderately, yet was opposed to smoking?

Paul instructed Timothy to use a little wine for his belly’s sake! So you think he was lost for doing so?

Did Timothy fall into pornography? Gambling? Even drunkenness?

Boy, you need to get a reality check!

Allow the Spirit to lead and guide you into ALL truth.

I trashed the character of your Pastor? I’m sorry, yet your wrong! If anything in charter has been altered with your Pastor its because of you not me.

Tell me how your ok with getting too close to the edge and telling others I’m doing fine. No sir!

Explain to me, as you drink wine or beer in your church how your going to tell a sinner to stop smoking cigarettes? What if they only have 1 cigarette a week, isn’t that moderate? What about medical marijuana, its for their major back pain? If your ok with alcohol then you have to ok others.

Comparing Timothy being instructed by Paul for his stomach issues is ignorant. I believe its grape juice. I dont believe Paul and Timothy were out there creating moonshine and drinking it now and then.

Alcohol goes hand in hand with gambling, pornography, etc...

We have a young man in our church that was addicted to meth for over 9 years, he understands open doors or gateway drugs. Yet the “saints” dont? He would be offended or hurt if I told him go ahead and drink some wine or have a beer in moderation. It’s okay as long as you dont get drunk!?!??!?

Picture this Jesus tells his disciples to look upon a women and lust after her is committing adultery. Not even involving yourself in the physical act, yet your in adultery by the lustful thought....
And your going to tell me and others on here that as long as your not drunk your perfectly fine in the eyes of God.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

That’s ignorant.

You and everyone on here is going to have a hard time trying to get someone that likes to smoke cigarettes off them.

What does smoking cigarettes have to do with drinking? They are two different things. I have drank alcohol, but very little. I have never smoked. So they go hand in hand? You’re wrong. They are separate behaviors. Both are potentially addictive. You will be saying drinking coffee goes hand in hand wit pornography next. And it will make as much sense.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

You drink wine, beer or any alcoholic beverage your spirit is flawed.

According to your logic, Jesus has a flawed spirit. Because the Bible is clear that he drank wine.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Your ok with alcohol, then your fine with pornography, they go hand in hand.

Absolutely untrue. Totally separate behaviors. A ridiculous statement. One can have a porn habit and never touch alcohol or vice versa.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Your ok with gambling, it goes hand in hand.

Now gambling and alcohol go hand in hand? Have you ever drank in your life? Have you ever gambled? Did you do both at the same time? Always?

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Your ok with pharmaceutical depression mind altering medicine (some of you are ok with that!) it goes hand in hand. To even think some of you would be ok with it, is disheartening! Shame on everyone of you. Your going to post here and say your saved, you have the spirit of Christ and the Holy Ghost inside you is ok if you drink alcohol, your not saved your just a charismatic loose living obeying another voice, saint of something else.

I know you don’t mean all this. You poor guy. You have issues. I still love you though. Just don’t bad mouth my Pastor, okay? Just because he may like a little wine doesn’t mean he’s a drunkard. Do you take aspirin or ibuprofen?

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

I don’t see anything about wine in this verse. Wine is in your mind. Did God destroy Jesus? You are making stuff up that is totally against scripture. God considered wine a blessing to the Israelites, but you think you have a better idea than God. How arrogant!

[QUOTE=Nicodemus1968;1582849]

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you,

Wine is never mentioned as unclean, in the entire Bible. But you have decided that it is.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Some of you are guided from another spirit. I know the lot of you don’t believe in anything except what you read. Yet you’ll use this word to bring your damnation.

Just because you decide something is sin, doesn’t mean it is. You are not the authority on sin. You ignore what the Bible says, until it agrees with your opinion, then you quote scripture that is totally irrelevant. Did any of these verses say anything about wine? How about finding some verses about wine, and quoting them? Like this.

Luke.7

[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
[34] The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

Sorry it is not forbidden, it is warned against getting too drunk, but it is never forbidden.

Oh, don't be sorry. I don't believe you made your case for holy bourbon inebriation.

[Nicodemus1968]

[QUOTE=Tithesmeister;1582869]What does smoking cigarettes have to do with drinking? They are two different things. I have drank alcohol, but very little. I have never smoked. So they go hand in hand? You’re wrong. They are separate behaviors. Both are potentially addictive. You will be saying drinking coffee goes hand in hand wit pornography next. And it will make as much sense.



According to your logic, Jesus has a flawed spirit. Because the Bible is clear that he drank wine.

Absolutely untrue. Totally separate behaviors. A ridiculous statement. One can have a porn habit and never touch alcohol or vice versa.



Now gambling and alcohol go hand in hand? Have you ever drank in your life? Have you ever gambled? Did you do both at the same time? Always?



I know you don’t mean all this. You poor guy. You have issues. I still love you though. Just don’t bad mouth my Pastor, okay? Just because he may like a little wine doesn’t mean he’s a drunkard. Do you take aspirin or ibuprofen?



I don’t see anything about wine in this verse. Wine is in your mind. Did God destroy Jesus? You are making stuff up that is totally against scripture. God considered wine a blessing to the Israelites, but you think you have a better idea than God. How arrogant!

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you,

Wine is never mentioned as unclean, in the entire Bible. But you have decided that it is.



Just because you decide something is sin, doesn’t mean it is. You are not the authority on sin. You ignore what the Bible says, until it agrees with your opinion, then you quote scripture that is totally irrelevant. Did any of these verses say anything about wine? How about finding some verses about wine, and quoting them? Like this.

Luke.7

[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
[34] The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

What does smoking cigarettes have to do with drinking? They are two different things.

You and others often relate to “does the Bible” say its wrong. Just like with this thread “will drinking beer send you to hell?” You agreed with the administrator that said “he’s not against having some drinks, just getting drunk by them”. So, because the Bible does teach against drunkenness some of AFF members take that as we can drink but not to get drunk. If thats the case then you can smoke cigarettes just as long as your not addicted. Thats why I said what I said.

I know you don’t mean all this. You poor guy. You have issues. I still love you though. Just don’t bad mouth my Pastor, okay? Just because he may like a little wine doesn’t mean he’s a drunkard. Do you take aspirin or ibuprofen?

I asked a question because of what you stated. I asked if you would be fine with your Pastor drinking a corona every now and again? You said that you were ok with it, you even went as far as to say “that is the biblical answer”. You stated your Pastor makes wine, and even now he will drink it occasionally. I’m sorry I dont have the issues, I didnt post that I’m ok with a leader of the church having a beer every now and again. Think about it!

Now gambling and alcohol go hand in hand? Have you ever drank in your life? Have you ever gambled? Did you do both at the same time? Always?

I have not drank in my life. I come from a family of drunkards. Remember alcohol is an addiction and with that addiction will go hand in hand with gambling, porn, drugs and other addictions. You can disagree, but its true.

Luke.7
[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
[34] The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

They are relating Jesus to John the Baptist. Compare what John ate to what Jesus ate. Johns diet of locus and wild honey wasn't the same as Jesus. John probably drank water, Jesus drank wine. The wine there talking about isn’t the sangria of today. They used to take the grapes fresh off the vine and boil to a syrup and then add some of the concentrate to water. It wasn’t fermented, it wasn’t alcoholic.

You call out preachers that preach tithe, and you even put one of them on this forum in a way to shame the Pastor. Yet, your fine with your Pastor drinking a beer occasionally?

[Tithesmeister]

[QUOTE=Nicodemus1968;1582897]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

What does smoking cigarettes have to do with drinking? They are two different things. I have drank alcohol, but very little. I have never smoked. So they go hand in hand? You’re wrong. They are separate behaviors. Both are potentially addictive. You will be saying drinking coffee goes hand in hand wit pornography next. And it will make as much sense.



According to your logic, Jesus has a flawed spirit. Because the Bible is clear that he drank wine.

Absolutely untrue. Totally separate behaviors. A ridiculous statement. One can have a porn habit and never touch alcohol or vice versa.



Now gambling and alcohol go hand in hand? Have you ever drank in your life? Have you ever gambled? Did you do both at the same time? Always?



I know you don’t mean all this. You poor guy. You have issues. I still love you though. Just don’t bad mouth my Pastor, okay? Just because he may like a little wine doesn’t mean he’s a drunkard. Do you take aspirin or ibuprofen?



I don’t see anything about wine in this verse. Wine is in your mind. Did God destroy Jesus? You are making stuff up that is totally against scripture. God considered wine a blessing to the Israelites, but you think you have a better idea than God. How arrogant!



What does smoking cigarettes have to do with drinking? They are two different things.

You and others often relate to “does the Bible” say its wrong. Just like with this thread “will drinking beer send you to hell?” You agreed with the administrator that said “he’s not against having some drinks, just getting drunk by them”. So, because the Bible does teach against drunkenness some of AFF members take that as we can drink but not to get drunk. If thats the case then you can smoke cigarettes just as long as your not addicted. Thats why I said what I said.

I know you don’t mean all this. You poor guy. You have issues. I still love you though. Just don’t bad mouth my Pastor, okay? Just because he may like a little wine doesn’t mean he’s a drunkard. Do you take aspirin or ibuprofen?

I asked a question because of what you stated. I asked if you would be fine with your Pastor drinking a corona every now and again? You said that you were ok with it, you even went as far as to say “that is the biblical answer”. You stated your Pastor makes wine, and even now he will drink it occasionally. I’m sorry I dont have the issues, I didnt post that I’m ok with a leader of the church having a beer every now and again. Think about it!

Now gambling and alcohol go hand in hand? Have you ever drank in your life? Have you ever gambled? Did you do both at the same time? Always?

I have not drank in my life. I come from a family of drunkards. Remember alcohol is an addiction and with that addiction will go hand in hand with gambling, porn, drugs and other addictions. You can disagree, but its true.

Luke.7
[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
[34] The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

They are relating Jesus to John the Baptist. Compare what John ate to what Jesus ate. Johns diet of locus and wild honey wasn't the same as Jesus. John probably drank water, Jesus drank wine. The wine there talking about isn’t the sangria of today. They used to take the grapes fresh off the vine and boil to a syrup and then add some of the concentrate to water. It wasn’t fermented, it wasn’t alcoholic.

You call out preachers that preach tithe, and you even put one of them on this forum in a way to shame the Pastor. Yet, your fine with your Pastor drinking a beer occasionally?

Oh brother. Now you’ve got them drinking nonalcoholic syrup and calling it wine. So when the Bible says wine, it doesn’t mean wine? How did they get drunk then?
Maybe it was a miracle? Why teach against being drunk if the wine is nonalcoholic? Maybe drunk doesn’t mean drunk?

Brother, you should study the difference in exegesis and eisegesis. Study the meanings of the two words. Ask yourself, which more accurately describes your study habits.

If wine is nonalcoholic, then where is the problem with overindulgence? Aaaand alcohol is not addiction. Some PEOPLE are addicted to alcohol. Some PEOPLE are addicted to gambling. Some PEOPLE kill people with guns.

If people weren’t addicted to gambling, what would happen to the casinos? They would eventually close, right?

You came from a family of drunkards. But you aren’t a drunkard. I’m not either. I could walk right through the liquor store without any temptation. So it isn’t the liquor that is an addiction. It is the person that has an addiction TO the liquor.

I wouldn’t advise anyone to drink that has had a problem with alcoholism. Nor would I drink in front of them. But taking his weakness and putting it on EVERYONE is not right either.

Do you believe Jesus drank wine?

Was it alcohol?

[Tithesmeister]

Being a drunkard will send you to hell.

Lying about tithes will too.

Drinking alcohol in moderation, will not send you to hell.

Lying about tithes in moderation will.

I’m confident that far more pastors will go to hell for lying about tithes, than there will for being drunkards. So I try to reach them.

[Nicodemus1968]

[QUOTE=Tithesmeister;1582910]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Oh brother. Now you’ve got them drinking nonalcoholic syrup and calling it wine. So when the Bible says wine, it doesn’t mean wine? How did they get drunk then?
Maybe it was a miracle? Why teach against being drunk if the wine is nonalcoholic? Maybe drunk doesn’t mean drunk?

Brother, you should study the difference in exegesis and eisegesis. Study the meanings of the two words. Ask yourself, which more accurately describes your study habits.

If wine is nonalcoholic, then where is the problem with overindulgence? Aaaand alcohol is not addiction. Some PEOPLE are addicted to alcohol. Some PEOPLE are addicted to gambling. Some PEOPLE kill people with guns.

If people weren’t addicted to gambling, what would happen to the casinos? They would eventually close, right?

You came from a family of drunkards. But you aren’t a drunkard. I’m not either. I could walk right through the liquor store without any temptation. So it isn’t the liquor that is an addiction. It is the person that has an addiction TO the liquor.

I wouldn’t advise anyone to drink that has had a problem with alcoholism. Nor would I drink in front of them. But taking his weakness and putting it on EVERYONE is not right either.

Do you believe Jesus drank wine?

Was it alcohol?

I do not believe Jesus drank alcoholic wine. Don’t get me wrong there was alcoholic beverages back then. I do not believe Jesus partook of them, they had ways to keep there fresh grapes from fermenting. One of the examples they had for wine was like I stated they boiled the grapes and made a concentrate, that was there wine. There was other types as well, we can’t just say the Bible says Jesus turned water not wine, lets go get sangria.