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01-10-2022, 11:40 AM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
I believe that Hebrews 4:12 means
. . . The dividing asunder of soul/psyche (personality) and spirit/pneuma (breath)
Psyche as in psychology
Pneuma as in pneumonia
but waiting on Bro Esaias to comment of course.
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01-10-2022, 02:37 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
One thing I've noticed, is a lot of people try to make a distinction between "eternal life" and "immortality". They will say that all humans are immortal, but only Christians receive eternal life. Thus, eternal life is a quality, whereas immortality is simply a time span. Immortality means to maintain existence forever, whereas eternal life means to not only maintain existence forever but to have a high quality of life forever, to enjoy the life of God forever. So, sinners in hell they say are immortal, but do not have eternal life.
But Paul says something different:
Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
(Rom 2:6-7) Here Paul says those who seek for glory, honour, and immortality by patient endurance in well doing are given eternal life. Immortality is something to be sought, along with glorification and divine honour. It is not something everyone already has.
He also said this:
I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
(1Ti 6:13-16) At the appearing of Jesus Christ, He shall show Who only has immortality. Only One has immortality, God as seen in Jesus Christ. This immortality is bestowed on those who believe, we are allowed to partake in the divine nature. Nobody has immortality as a mere consequence of existence, or as an inherent part of their natural essence (or "nature"). Rather, it is the gift of God.
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01-10-2022, 03:59 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
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Originally Posted by Esaias
One thing I've noticed, is a lot of people try to make a distinction between "eternal life" and "immortality". They will say that all humans are immortal, but only Christians receive eternal life. Thus, eternal life is a quality, whereas immortality is simply a time span. Immortality means to maintain existence forever, whereas eternal life means to not only maintain existence forever but to have a high quality of life forever, to enjoy the life of God forever. So, sinners in hell they say are immortal, but do not have eternal life.
But Paul says something different:
Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
(Rom 2:6-7) Here Paul says those who seek for glory, honour, and immortality by patient endurance in well doing are given eternal life. Immortality is something to be sought, along with glorification and divine honour. It is not something everyone already has.
He also said this:
I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
(1Ti 6:13-16) At the appearing of Jesus Christ, He shall show Who only has immortality. Only One has immortality, God as seen in Jesus Christ. This immortality is bestowed on those who believe, we are allowed to partake in the divine nature. Nobody has immortality as a mere consequence of existence, or as an inherent part of their natural essence (or "nature"). Rather, it is the gift of God.
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01-10-2022, 06:05 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
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01-10-2022, 10:15 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
My view of hell? Well, when I was down south it seemed like you could see it good! Like the next county over!
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01-10-2022, 10:20 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
You all just did away with hell. Problem is, it will never bring comfort to the devil and his angels. They can only wish that they can create havoc on earth for thousands of years and just dissolve instantly for a punishment.
Last edited by 1 God; 01-10-2022 at 10:29 PM.
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01-10-2022, 10:26 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
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You all just did away with hell. Problem is, it will never bring comfort to the devil and his angels.
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Jesus destroys hell in the lake of fire
Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.
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01-11-2022, 07:01 AM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
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Jesus destroys hell in the lake of fire
Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.
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10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his nameL
How long is forever and ever? Does annihilation provide no rest?
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01-11-2022, 07:48 AM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
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Originally Posted by 1 God
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his nameL
How long is forever and ever? Does annihilation provide no rest?
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They still worship the beast while in torment?
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01-11-2022, 05:17 PM
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Re: What's your view on Hell?
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They still worship the beast while in torment?
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Is that how you have always read that passage?
Last edited by 1 God; 01-11-2022 at 05:20 PM.
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