AFF apostolic or not? - Page 26

pelathais · #**251** 07-12-2008, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And many were sans the sissy-fied shaved look like Tim has...Oops!

I must confess that I am still completely baffled by those who won't even take a look at the last 100 years of our history. They seem to be so wrapped up in whatever mood that possesses them at the moment. There is no wisdom where one will not learn from the past.

And then to deny that the past ever even occurred at all is astounding to me.

Maybe if ReformedDave would post a pic of his grandparents again they would see what I mean. RD's grandparents help to found our movement and his parents were giants within it.

But this divisiveness is a big part of our heritage as well. Ike Terry used to boast that he was "the first one to preach this message in the valley" after he moved out to California in the 1950's. He said that just to get his digs at the "liberal" Clyde Haney who had been laboring in that field for decades before Ike showed up with his crude jokes about the women he pastored.

hometown guy · #**252** 07-12-2008, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas

no it's not really. What was your point in quoting Pastor Fields? Oh...and guess what, he was not against video. You raised the issue, not me.

he allowed home video only.

Praxeas · #**253** 07-12-2008, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais

I must confess that I am still completely baffled by those who won't even take a look at the last 100 years of our history. They seem to be so wrapped up in whatever mood that possesses them at the moment. There is no wisdom where one will not learn from the past.

And then to deny that the past ever even occurred at all is astounding to me.

Maybe if ReformedDave would post a pic of his grandparents again they would see what I mean. RD's grandparents help to found our movement and his parents were giants within it.

But this divisiveness is a big part of our heritage as well. Ike Terry used to boast that he was "the first one to preach this message in the valley" after he moved out to California in the 1950's. He said that just to get his digs at the "liberal" Clyde Haney who had been laboring in that field for decades before Ike showed up with his crude jokes about the women he pastored.

Yeah. I remember my own shock when I was reading "Winds of God" and read a part about how our pioneers back in the day were wearing their best jewelry while doing the work of the Lord in street evangelism. Yet I was told we went from Holiness to Pentecost to Jesus name baptism and Oneness...in other words we've all believed like this since forever

Pastor DTSalaz · #**254** 07-12-2008, 12:32 AM

BTW God sent his angels to announce the birth of Christ to the ones who were least likely to look like the true followers of God. The Shepherds They also couldn't keep all the ceremonial Laws by being out in the field and were looked down upon by Pharisees but not by God. Oh by the way how was the forerunner to the messiah supposed to dress In a three piece suit and tie.

Praxeas · #**255** 07-12-2008, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometown guy

he allowed home video only.

Yet many UC pastors say no video at all

pelathais · #**256** 07-12-2008, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yet many UC pastors say no video at all

They just don't want to think about it. My pastor was like that for a while. I have a single video of my oldest son but none of the others when they were babies. I was obedient.

Then fifteen years later the same pastor is showing videos of preaching during the Sunday night services because he can't think of anything to preach.

It really is unreasonable for us to expect people to follow us up and down on the roller coaster of our mood swings. This is one huge reason why our movement doesn't grow - we're fickle. We wore jewelry to impress people that we weren't a bunch of hill billies, then we banned jewelry when we decided we wanted to be "holiness."

We grew beards when it was the style of the British monarchy to do so, then we shaved them when Edward became king - then Edward abdicated and ran off with a "loose" American woman but the communists came along with beards, then the hippies.

Meanwhile people with sincere hearts who would otherwise attend our churches are flipping through the pages of their Bibles trying to find out where in the Word we get half the stuff we preach.

Praxeas · #**257** 07-12-2008, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais

They just don't want to think about it. My pastor was like that for a while. I have a single video of my oldest son but none of the others when they were babies. I was obedient.

Then fifteen years later the same pastor is showing videos of preaching during the Sunday night services because he can't think of anything to preach.

It really is unreasonable for us to expect people to follow us up and down on the roller coaster of our mood swings. This is one huge reason why our movement doesn't grow - we're fickle. We wore jewelry to impress people that we weren't a bunch of hill billies, then we banned jewelry when we decided we wanted to be "holiness."

We grew beards when it was the style of the British monarchy to do so, then we shaved them when Edward became king - then Edward abdicated and ran off with a "loose" American woman but the communists came along with beards, then the hippies.

Meanwhile people with sincere hearts who would otherwise attend our churches are flipping through the pages of their Bibles trying to find out where in the Word we get have the stuff we preach.

lol. It is confusing.

pelathais · #**258** 07-12-2008, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas

lol. It is confusing.

I remember a preacher of renown among us preaching how that to wear a ring on your "ring finger" showed that you were "honoring the Trinity." He counted off "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" from his thumb toward his pinkie that left the "ring finger" for the wedding band. But don't wear that! It means "Trinity!"

It never occurred to him that his smooth face was a sign of submission to the Pope - but it has been just that for 1,000 years.

Pastor DTSalaz · #**259** 07-12-2008, 12:54 AM

Gen 24:52 And it came to pass, that, when Abraham's servant heard their words, he worshiped the LORD, bowing himself to the earth.
Gen 24:53 And the servant brought forth jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment, and gave them to Rebekah: he gave also to her brother and to her mother precious things.

Could this possibly be the voice of the Lord? I hope we are not afraid of the Word of God!

Exo 3:21 And I will give this people favor in the sight of the Egyptians: and it shall come to pass, that, when ye go, ye shall not go empty:
Exo 3:22 But every woman shall borrow of her neighbor, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: and ye shall put them upon your sons, and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the Egyptians.

Rico · #**260** 07-12-2008, 12:58 AM

Acts 15:36-40 (KJV)
36 And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do. 37 And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark. 38 But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work. 39 And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus; 40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.

Sometimes I get the feeling that those who left AFF to start their own forum for conservatives actually had a good idea. My suggestion to some of you would be to look into www.justpreachers.com You would probably find conversations there much better suited to your tastes and positions. There is no doubt in my mind some of you would fit in perfectly there.