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Re: DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite?
Good work DA. Very impressive. have you also tried to reach others connected to the group?
So we see they are not Branhamite, but do claim to be Pentecostal.
Also as I and others suspected - they are not monolithic concerning some doctrines.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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12-09-2010, 06:46 PM
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Re: DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite?
Does the Church of Iran hold a Oneness view of God? Do you believe that the name of Jesus must be invoked in order to be saved?
Some Oneness Pentecostals do and some don't. I don't see how a simple answer could be definitive.
And does he hold that tongues are necessary, initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost?
Most do, but, the term "baptism of the Holy Spirit" needs to be defined. Some view this as a post conversion event.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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12-09-2010, 07:28 PM
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Re: DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite?
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Good work DA. Very impressive. have you also tried to reach others connected to the group?
So we see they are not Branhamite, but do claim to be Pentecostal.
Also as I and others suspected - they are not monolithic concerning some doctrines.
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You having problems decoding?
They do not view themselves as Pentecostal.
And hold to Branham's doctrines like Serpent Seed .... as sons of Alexis Barilier, Message believer missionary.
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12-09-2010, 07:29 PM
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Re: DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite?
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Does the Church of Iran hold a Oneness view of God? Do you believe that the name of Jesus must be invoked in order to be saved?
Some Oneness Pentecostals do and some don't. I don't see how a simple answer could be definitive.
And does he hold that tongues are necessary, initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost?
Most do, but, the term "baptism of the Holy Spirit" needs to be defined. Some view this as a post conversion event.
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He does not see it as necessary evidence. As in Branhamite theology the Holy Ghost is received after a properly administered baptism ... with tongues as an optional sign that may come later.
BTW, one is saved at accepting Jesus Christ as your savior but not Holy Ghost filled or experience the new birth according to what I've read among former Message believers.
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12-09-2010, 07:32 PM
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Re: DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite?
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You having problems decoding?
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It does look like they hold Branham as a Prophet of sorts... but a few obviously non-Branhamites on this very forum have said similar things about Branham.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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12-09-2010, 07:34 PM
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Re: DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite?
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He does not see it as necessary evidence. As in Branhamite theology the Holy Ghost is received after a properly administered baptism ... with tongues as an optional sign that may come later.
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That is a minority view among Pentecostals - I admit that.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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12-09-2010, 07:35 PM
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Re: DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite?
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It does look like they hold Branham as a Prophet of sorts... but a few obviously non-Branhamites on this very forum have said similar things about Branham.
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Steve .... members of the Rasht church pastored by Youcef see him with great affinity .... posting his stuff on Facebook and on the web.
Message believers as a rule reject the term "Branhamite". He unequivocally sees and accepts him as a prophet.
The theology is there and in tact ... despite the isolation. I am sure his teachings/recordings are part of the liturgy as well.
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Re: DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite?
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Steve .... members of the Rasht church pastored by Youcef see him with great affinity .... posting his stuff on Facebook and on the web.
Message believers as a rule reject the term "Branhamite".
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I can accept that.
Just saying he did deny the term and it looks like the brother you communicated with attributed his authority to the "pentecostal revival of the last century".
They certainly are a divergent schism of OP.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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12-09-2010, 07:43 PM
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Re: DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite?
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I can accept that.
Just saying he did deny the term and it looks like the brother you communicated with attributed his authority to the "pentecostal revival of the last century".
They certainly are a divergent schism of OP.
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He spoke of bringing, or re-introducing, The Message (unity of God and Jesus name baptism plus Branham doctrines) after the historical Pentecostal revival which is a reference to men like AD Urshan, last century.... but is not an affirmation of the Pentecostal theology of evidentiary glossalalia.
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12-09-2010, 07:53 PM
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Re: DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite?
Alexis Barilier ... the man who brought the Endtime Message to them ... according to Firouz:
Source: http://www.misia.sk/data/book/83/cl2004.pdf
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