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10-30-2014, 06:26 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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No. Natures do not have Persons. Persons have Nature. Nature are all the qualities or attributes inherit to whatever kind of being a Person is
Person is not a quality. Qualities don't do things
I also don't really understand what you mean by identity
Person is not a quality or attribute of nature
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We can say that persons have nature... we can also say that personhood is an attribute of human nature. Did Jesus have a distinct "human" personality/personhood that prayed to and had a relationship with the Father? Yes or no?
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10-30-2014, 12:29 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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How do you explain what you believe to people who ask questions?
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I will let you know when I can explain it to myself.  Usually, I don't get asked deep questions. I ask myself deep questions.
I find myself emphasizing that a person's life is supposed to change if they are truly saved.
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10-30-2014, 03:07 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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We can say that persons have nature... we can also say that personhood is an attribute of human nature. Did Jesus have a distinct "human" personality/personhood that prayed to and had a relationship with the Father? Yes or no?
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As you are defining them a person and personhood is not the same thing.
I think you are trying to ask how many personalities are involved with Jesus and the father. There is clearly 2 personalities present in those interactions. Even prax admits this.
A separate personality does not necessarily indicate a separate person.
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10-30-2014, 03:40 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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If I have two glasses, one half filled with wine... the other with water. And I pour them both into the second glass. Is the second glass wine or water?
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You aren't addressing the contradiction. You argued they are One Person then said they are not One Person but two.
using that analogy but not explaining your answers and the contradiction, just makes it all that more confused
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-30-2014, 03:45 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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We can say that persons have nature... we can also say that personhood is an attribute of human nature.
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Did Jesus have a distinct "human" personality/personhood that prayed to and had a relationship with the Father? Yes or no?
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You've proven there is no difference between Person, Personality and Personhood.
Person prays. Personality prays. Personhood prays. You are using these words synonymous
Also you vacillate between "Let's use bible terminology" and using non-biblical terminology (person/Personality/personhood)
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-31-2014, 06:14 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
As God Jesus is the only one who is YHWH the Eternal Father. In another mode of being he is a man.
Jesus is God and man.
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Tim. 2:5
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10-31-2014, 07:14 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
You aren't addressing the contradiction. You argued they are One Person then said they are not One Person but two.
using that analogy but not explaining your answers and the contradiction, just makes it all that more confused
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Prax, go back and read what I said carefully. Then get back to me.
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10-31-2014, 07:15 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
No
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You've proven there is no difference between Person, Personality and Personhood.
Person prays. Personality prays. Personhood prays. You are using these words synonymous
Also you vacillate between "Let's use bible terminology" and using non-biblical terminology (person/Personality/personhood)
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Prax, I'll try to simplify my question. Did Jesus have a distinct "human" personality, mind, or personhood (whatever one might call it) that prayed to and had a relationship with the Father? Yes or no?
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10-31-2014, 07:17 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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As you are defining them a person and personhood is not the same thing.
I think you are trying to ask how many personalities are involved with Jesus and the father. There is clearly 2 personalities present in those interactions. Even prax admits this.
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When do you believe that the second personality come into existence?
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A separate personality does not necessarily indicate a separate person.
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Can you give an example?
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10-31-2014, 07:24 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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As God Jesus is the only one who is YHWH the Eternal Father. In another mode of being he is a man.
Jesus is God and man.
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Please define "mode of being" and describe where the concept is explained in the Bible.
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For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Tim. 2:5
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Please read that Scripture... slowly.
1 Tim. 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, THE MAN Christ Jesus. How did this "man", Christ Jesus, describe His own oneness with the Father?
John 10:38
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. (KJV) Note, there are plenty of ways in the ancient language wherein Jesus could have said, "I am the Father and the Father is me." However, this is NOT what Jesus says. Jesus says, "the Father is IN me, and I IN him". This doesn't speak of sameness... it draws clear distinction through personal pronouns and uses terms that clearly denote mutual indwelling.
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