Going to see Stoneking tomorrow:

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Justin

It seems women have both; power of the Holy Spirit, and power over angels.

Then LS should be powerless - since he has no woman to cover him.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Then LS should be powerless - since he has no woman to cover him.

Wonder who covered Jesus and Paul!

Interesting article - http://www.bayou.com/~lou2247/ac2.html

The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary and conceived Jesus. From that conception
came forth that which would provide a covering for our sins. His death, burial
and resurrection would provide a way in the "wilderness" of this world. It would
lead and guide us out...! He brought us in, that He might bring us out!! Out of
darkness into His Marvelous Light, which were not a people, but are now the
people of GOD!!

[deacon blues]

This is really sad.

In the mid-70s to early 80s LS preached a lot in the church I grew up in. When I was 8 I received the HG in one of those meetings. Hundreds of people received the HG in that time period. He would preach 6 weeks Tues-Sun with only Monday night off. There was such a buzz in our town people from other denominations were coming to our church to receive the HG, only to go back to their church. A charismatic revival was going on simultaneously. Methodists, Prebyterians, Catholics were getting filled with the HG. A strong Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship had grown. When someone couldn't receive the HG in their meetings they would encourage them to visit our church, and many of them got it. My uncle who was a very bitter man because of being severely abused as a child by his father cracked under conviction one Easter that LS was preaching. LS left the platform and went back to him and invited him to the altar and my uncl got saved. He turned into one of the sweetest, kindest and most genuine Christians.

One of the most profound miracles I have ever witnessed happened during that time. A man who had been in a terrible motorcycle accident came with someone. He was in a wheelchair and was virtually helpless. He could barely hold his head up. LS prayed for him. He had some men help him and they pulled him from the chair, praying for him and dragging him around the sanctuary. It was bold and dramatic, but LS had that kind of faith. The man's legs started moving. He didn't get healed completely, but he started recovering slowly. Eventually that man was able to return to a normal life with only a slight speech impediment to show for it.

I remember a message on the "Pearl of Great Price" LS preached that stays with me to this day.

These are the things that characterized his ministry in those days. He was in great demand as a result. I had many personal interactions with him as our family ate with LS after church on many occasions.

In the mid-80s LS preached a camp meeting in our district. He preached a message "Angels Unawares". It was basically a message filled with personal stories about angelic visitations and interactions. I didn't think much about it, it was a different kind of service, but I heard a preacher I really respected say after service, "That message wasn't very Biblical". The more I thought about it I agreed. There was barely a mention of Jesus in it. The focus was mainly on angels.

Then in the late 80s we had him come and do a short weekend revival. It had been a few years since we had him preach for us. I was on church staff at this point. One night he preached this message on hair. It included the thought about women and power in prayer and angels. No mention of witches or laying hair on the sick, but it was disturbing enough that over dinner later at the asst pastor's house some questions were asked at th table about the message. A debate didn't ensue but it was obvious several of us at the table had problems with the message. He never was asked back to preach for us again.

I don't know why LS wants to be identified with and focused on this message he has been preaching about hair when he was remembered for so long for his prayer life, his being led by the HG and the powerful anointing that marked his earlier days.

It makes me sad to see him become a caricature of what he used to be. I love him, and I am going to be praying for him. Admittedly I have not been.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

This is really sad.

In the mid-70s to early 80s LS preached a lot in the church I grew up in. When I was 8 I received the HG in one of those meetings. Hundreds of people received the HG in that time period. He would preach 6 weeks Tues-Sun with only Monday night off. There was such a buzz in our town people from other denominations were coming to our church to receive the HG, only to go back to their church. A charismatic revival was going on simultaneously. Methodists, Prebyterians, Catholics were getting filled with the HG. A strong Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship had grown. When someone couldn't receive the HG in their meetings they would encourage them to visit our church, and many of them got it. My uncle who was a very bitter man because of being severely abused as a child by his father cracked under conviction one Easter that LS was preaching. LS left the platform and went back to him and invited him to the altar and my uncl got saved. He turned into one of the sweetest, kindest and most genuine Christians.

One of the most profound miracles I have ever witnessed happened during that time. A man who had been in a terrible motorcycle accident came with someone. He was in a wheelchair and was virtually helpless. He could barely hold his head up. LS prayed for him. He had some men help him and they pulled him from the chair, praying for him and dragging him around the sanctuary. It was bold and dramatic, but LS had that kind of faith. The man's legs started moving. He didn't get healed completely, but he started recovering slowly. Eventually that man was able to return to a normal life with only a slight speech impediment to show for it.

I remember a message on the "Pearl of Great Price" LS preached that stays with me to this day.

These are the things that characterized his ministry in those days. He was in great demand as a result. I had many personal interactions with him as our family ate with LS after church on many occasions.

In the mid-80s LS preached a camp meeting in our district. He preached a message "Angels Unawares". It was basically a message filled with personal stories about angelic visitations and interactions. I didn't think much about it, it was a different kind of service, but I heard a preacher I really respected say after service, "That message wasn't very Biblical". The more I thought about it I agreed. There was barely a mention of Jesus in it. The focus was mainly on angels.

Then in the late 80s we had him come and do a short weekend revival. It had been a few years since we had him preach for us. I was on church staff at this point. One night he preached this message on hair. It included the thought about women and power in prayer and angels. No mention of witches or laying hair on the sick, but it was disturbing enough that over dinner later at the asst pastor's house some questions were asked at th table about the message. A debate didn't ensue but it was obvious several of us at the table had problems with the message. He never was asked back to preach for us again.

I don't know why LS wants to be identified with and focused on this message he has been preaching about hair when he was remembered for so long for his prayer life, his being led by the HG and the powerful anointing that marked his earlier days.

It makes me sad to see him become a caricature of what he used to be. I love him, and I am going to be praying for him. Admittedly I have not been.

Excellent post, we must all recognize that when the focus moves from Jesus to us, or any other thing, we are seriously off track!!!!

[mizpeh]

DB, it warmed my heart to read your post. I'll be praying for LS as well.

[Sister Alvear]

If someone feels the Bible teaches long hair for ladies then do it but there is no reason to invent angel stories. I for one have never cut my hair however spooky or even miracle stories is not the reason. Many know that is how I feel however it is the Holy Ghost that gives me power...
I too am one that has wondered why the Bible uses the expression because of the angels...Good angels....bad angels....just what did the writer have in mind I really do not know.
Paul also wrote in Gal. about even if an angle from heaven....
Then there is the concept of the word HEAD...if he means head was he speaking from the Jewish or Greek concept of HEAD?
and on and on....it gets very complex and very few writers agree even those like me that do not cut their hair....there are hundreds of opinions...so at face value without the culture thing involved I personally take it to mean not to cut my hair...if I am wrong I am sure I have not hurt myself in anyway not cutting my hair and that is my honest opinion of what the scripture means...At the same time I am in no way calling ladies that cut their hair names and neither do I enjoy men that do not believe in women preachers calling me some name...

Veils were often used in the Bible...but if it meant a veil we have no instructions what the veil should be like...and all kinds of customs that were present in that day....

May I say I am a missionary and what may seem godly and holy in one culture may not mean that in another culture...a kiss in one country is a sign
of respect in another country it would be strange....men holding hands is norm in some places of Africa but other places it would be STRANGE....lol...

Sunday both men and women were kissing me when I walked in the church here in Brazil...that would seem strange in America for some big man to lay his head on my shoulder and weep...

I think it is possible to be clear how we feel without saying hard things to others and about others. If we do not have a love baptism then we fall short...

Dear ones, this is a little off the subject but we seem to be passionate about what we believe however we should pray everyday for a baptism of love for by love will all men know that we are HIS disciples....

I cannot tell you what to believe but whatever it is be kind to those that see things differently...that does not mean you are soft or agree with them but be kind even in differences...

[Sister Alvear]

yesterday I was talking to a group of friends about years ago going to the cannibal indians that were stark naked...in the course of the conversation I mentioned I felt more comfortable around the indians than I did around some men in white shirts and suits...I did not feel a spirit of lust even though I knew they were and are ruthless killers...some people may meet someones outward requirements and be a ruthless killer at the same time...could that be why Jesus told us to try the spirits?

[Sister Alvear]

and please do not say I think all men in white shirts are lustful...lol...However Jesus spoke about the clean outside and the dirty inside....

[Sam]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I have heard him preach this before. In fact, you just summoned it up in a way which took seconds for me to read, but took an hour for him to get across. My guess is that the total time he spoke was a little over two hours.

a two hour sermon?
Wow!
does that fulfill Daniel 7:25 where it speaks about wearing out the saints?
I don't think I could sit and listen to something like that for 2 hours.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Sam

a two hour sermon?
Wow!
does that fulfill Daniel 7:25 where it speaks about wearing out the saints?
I don't think I could sit and listen to something like that for 2 hours.

I had the privilege of watching from home so could walk around (that is "pacing" for those of you in Rio Linda), eat, drink, use the facilities, put on pause (which was apart from the 2+ hour sermon), etc..... But I can only imagine actually being bound to my seat if I was there in person.