Why I Am A Futurist

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What nonsense. Im just trying to get someone to tell us EXACTLY what their belief IS. In this case if HE or THEY admits to what they are trying to push on others they can know what they are getting into.

Example. I believe in the doctrine of the resurrection commonly known as "soul sleep". Also the doctrine that sinners die in the Gehenna fire. If someone asked me if I believe these things I would not hesitate in affirming.

I started THIS thread at least partly because the AFF is now full of threads taken over by Preterists of some form to where a future understanding of end time prophecy was hardly present here. So my
opening thread was just to let anyone interested know that its still legal on the forum to believe in future prophecy.

So if "guns are blazing" it is because its almost if not impossible to now mention prophecy without you, Dom or others taking over the thread.

Mike, funny thing, you are so upset about Preterists overrunning the forum and burning down thread after thread, but insist that they have never admitted what they believe? Go to the Eschatology section, and you will find all the Preterists launching their beliefs back and forth with everyone who ever wanted to joust with them. My lands, you even have a debate on this forum with Brother Thomas Burk, and Brother James N Anderson.

My thing, is that since the time Brother Yohe called me on the phone and invited me to post on FCF, we have been the one catching the ball. Yet, never seeming to be allowed to throw the ball? Now, you have said more than once we have a faith killing message. But my family doesn't go to doctors, daughters healed, wife healed, in our church cancers healed, on men, women, and children all healed. Our elderly saints who have gone on to be with the Lord, all went with smiles, speaking in tongues as they drifted away. When you are on your death bed, I pray you are strong enough to close your eyes like some of the old brothers and sisters who have moved on. Faith? Faith that when they pray things happen in a positive way.

Yet, you mentioned that if you were asked if you believe in soul sleep you would answer in the affirmative? Also if asked about Annihilation of the wicked, you would unabashedly reply in the affirmative! Yet, when I asked my questions you just want to ask me questions, so that chest beating and bravado is nothing? Mike you numerous times have alluded to me being the midget, and you the high exalted seeing eyeball. Since that is where we stand, then by all mean Socratically teach me. Spoon feed me as I ask you some questions, that's all. I'm the student, you are the teacher who will lead me to the school called Christ. Amen?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

AND IT HAS NOW HAPPENED AGAIN.

But it is what it is. We all are allowed to post where we please. If a thread comes down to all Prets or pre tribs patting each other on the back I can chose to exit it even if I started it in the first place.

And furthermore how is it that you who claim to believe in the future resurrection are so protective of Dom and his friends who you and I both know full well teach the faith destroying doctrine that Jesus Christ already came and the resurrection happened in 70ad?

Mike you started the thread for ONE purpose, and that purpose has been achieved.

[mfblume]

Good Samaritan,

Did you ever consider how the entire concept of a future tribulation period around which the rapture is supposed to occur to drop people into three categories... pre trib rapture, mid trib rapture or post trib rapture... is entirely based upon a mythical GAP between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel? And yet Daniel 9 mentions NOTHING ABOUT IT!

In fact, Daniel was told there would be 70 weeks... 490 years... in which God would do six things. And without a note about any GAP inserted ANYWHERE in the weeks, futurism comes waltzing along and says two thousand years plus has been inserted between the 69th and 70th weeks.

That's like me telling you that I will see yo in four weeks, and insert ten years between the 3rd and 4th weeks without telling you!

The simple truth is there was no gap.

Daniel 9:25-27 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

After the 62 plus 7 weeks (69) MESSIAH WOULD COME. Jesus came! in the midst of the 70th week, he would be CUT OFF but not for Himself. That means His life would be cut short, for OUR salvation. He, NOT ANTICHRIST, would CONFIRM, NOT CREATE, a covenant with Israel for ONE WEEK. CONFIRM that is.

And what happened, Jesus died 3.5 years after He came preaching - in the midst of the 70th week -- and caused sacrifices to CEASE by being the last sacrifice God would ever accept, and 3.5 years after that, the FIRST GENTILES CAME IN in Acts 10, ensuring that the entire 70 weeks were FOR ISRAEL.

The New Testament uses these terms and shows they were fulfilled!

Hebrews 10:1-2 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

And

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

futurists says the HE in Dan 9:27 is antichrist, and yet whoever it is CONFIRMS not CREATES a covenant, with necessity for the antichrist to CREATE one if it IS antichrist this is speaking about. But when you read verses 28-29 you see the MESSIAH is the subject and was the HE who confirmed the covenant. Futurism has that so messed up I cannot begin to describe it.

And the six things God did in the seventy weeks are as follows:

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

JESUS DID ALL OF THAT ALREADY!

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

It's all right there!

[mfblume]

So if "guns are blazing" it is because its almost if not impossible to now mention prophecy without you, Dom or others taking over the thread.

Right. We get challenged and accusations made about us, an entire thread intended to challenge our beliefs, and when we respond we get accused of taking over.



Stop talking about our beliefs, then. If you don't want us to respond and keep answering challenges, stop challenging our belief. lol Otherwise, sit down, close your yap, and enjoy the ride! lol (quip said in good fun)

I mean the thread is ENTITLED WHY I AM A FUTURIST. That is in direct challenge against preterist which means PAST. And you reflect on what we said and complain about us being here. You based your thread about a contrast between you and US.

Your very first [post said

since all this happened in 70 AD WHO ARE WE? It seems as if all of us Christians since 70 ad got LEFT BEHIND!

What if we started a thread about why we are not post trib. Don't you think you would join in the chat??????

You just saw us making good points, saw people starting to agree, and could not sit still. You immediately tried to rectify the problem by making our belief look stupid to discourage any interest. Admit it.

Well, it backfired once again. Keep up the good work!

[good samaritan]

Here is a question for everyone:

Do you think that Jesus could come back today?

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Right. We get challenged and accusations made about us, an entire thread intended to challenge our beliefs, and when we respond we get accused of taking over.



Stop talking about our beliefs, then. If you don't want us to respond and keep answering challenges, stop challenging our belief. lol Otherwise, sit down, close your yap, and enjoy the ride! lol (quip said in good fun)

I mean the thread is ENTITLED WHY I AM A FUTURIST. That is in direct challenge against preterist which means PAST. And you reflect on what we said and complain about us being here. You based your thread about a contrast between you and US.

Your very first [post said



What if we started a thread about why we are not post trib. Don't you think you would join in the chat??????

You just saw us making good points, saw people starting to agree, and could not sit still. You immediately tried to rectify the problem by making our belief look stupid to discourage any interest. Admit it.

Well, it backfired once again. Keep up the good work!

Technically you are post trib. You believe the trib was A.D. 70 and the church went through it. Honestly your belief doesn't bother me any nor does it change anything for me. I have always felt that the Lord could come any day. Matter of fact I hope not to go through a great trib., but I'll try and be ready for anything. The dangers of a post trib. futurists is that they can look so far forward that they aren't prepared for the Lord's return. I have heard pre trib sinners say that they think they will be saved during a great trib by refusing the mark of the beast and that is stupid to think. This partial preterism belief makes some intelligent points although I am not sold on anything either way, but full preterism if I understand it correctly now that is a hopeless theological view.

[Sean]

I think He must 1st take(remove) His bride to heaven(come to "call on" as a groom for the bride), then later on, return with His saints to judge the earth(2nd coming to all mankind physically)

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Sean

Originally Posted by Sean View Post
Hey bro. I just finished reading Adam Clarks' commentary on a preterist website....You better hope I dont start tearing into it on this thread and expose this ridiculous concept.
The man even dared to replace Jesus with the Roman armies in the coming of Christ passage!...(as the lightning comes from east to the west)..... Heres what the Bible says about the Coming of Jesus...

Matthew 24:27King James Version (KJV)

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Jesus is coming like lightning!



The preterist says the Roman armies are coming like lightning....


Verse 27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west— It is worthy of remark that our Lord, in the most particular manner, points out the very march of the Roman army: they entered into Judea on the EAST, and carried on their conquest WESTWARD, as if not only the extensiveness of the ruin, but the very route which the army would take, were intended in the comparison of the lightning issuing from the east, and shining to the west.....

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...4cTfDsRMevJd1Q


Unbelievable....the preterists have the nerve to replace Jesus our Lords' coming in the passage with the Roman armies coming!

Sean, Adam Clarke was not a preterist, he agreed with the historical interpretation of prophecy. The preterist archive has stuff from every viewpoint under the sun.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Here is a question for everyone:

Do you think that Jesus could come back today?

NO!

[Esaias]

Actually he could come back today. We all might be wrong in our understanding.

[mfblume]

Yes He could come today.