McMinnville pastor accused in suit of Defamation

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Holy Ghost HH

Thank you for sharing. It is sad that people are dangled over hell and deal they have no other OP church locally. Well that was until about 3 weeks ago. I travel 1.33 hours to attend a good church on Sunday and have a church being started every other Saturday by the same man of God.
As for why people stay? Well, family ties are hardest to break when dangeled over hell. You may think it is easy to break free but until you have been entangled like I was you cannot comprehend.
I was fresh in God when he split from UPCI and when 2008 hit and little matty started up is got even worse. I thought it was me. I know now looking back God has a lot more than that for me.
Everything being set aside I just want every OP reading this, live YOUR life that GOD gave you. Please don't Make others live yours as well. God deals with everyone of us in magnificent ways as individuals.
God has individual convictions and standards that we have to work out for our salvation.
God will lead everyone of us in HIS perfect plan as long as we love him.
Benihin has his walk, GodsD, has his, GoodS and Sean all have a love for God and his truth. All the other "requirements" are distractions to Hos purpose for our lives.
Again if you want to have your standards then by all means live in liberty doing them. Please don't use Your convictions to muzzle someone else and they tread out what God gave them to work on.
Is hope everyone prays for all and has a great night and morning.

HH, having no forgiveness for "Matty" will give you a front row seat in the lake of fire.

I'm not kidding, all the love, kisses, and best wishes for those of us in OP cannot mask your bitterness for the church you left.

I have a sad story, but I chose to suck it up, get over it, and move forward. Not to find other disgruntles so we can grab some crying towels, sobbing as we lick each other's wounds.

Paul prayed that a thorn in the flesh was to be removed, my opinion on that is found in the previous chapter where Paul is warning of false apostles who were causing issues in his churches. Yet, while Paul prayed God's only form of solace was to inform Paul that God's grace was sufficient. You have salvation HH? Holy Ghost moving through you because it is in you? Then that's great! Forgive them who spitefully use you, turn the other cheek? Or how about forgive them for they know not what they do? Do not render evil for evil? Sound good? Or should you just sue little Matty? Good grief, and they say the Muslims are terrorists? They just kill people, but Christians, they give the gift that keeps on killing. They go to social media, they put your picture on a website and call you a heretic. They eat the spleen of individuals who aren't even members of the same forum where they are eating the guy's lunch.

You know, the three Hebrew children went through a fire? Yet, when they came out on the other side you couldn't tell they were ever in a super hot furnace? Not even the smell of smoke.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

HH, having no forgiveness for "Matty" will give you a front row seat in the lake of fire.

I'm not kidding, all the love, kisses, and best wishes for those of us in OP cannot mask your bitterness for the church you left.

I have a sad story, but I chose to suck it up, get over it, and move forward. Not to find other disgruntles so we can grab some crying towels, sobbing as we lick each other's wounds.

Paul prayed that a thorn in the flesh was to be removed, my opinion on that is found in the previous chapter where Paul is warning of false apostles who were causing issues in his churches. Yet, while Paul prayed God's only form of solace was to inform Paul that God's grace was sufficient. You have salvation HH? Holy Ghost moving through you because it is in you? Then that's great! Forgive them who spitefully use you, turn the other cheek? Or how about forgive them for they know not what they do? Do not render evil for evil? Sound good? Or should you just sue little Matty? Good grief, and they say the Muslims are terrorists? They just kill people, but Christians, they give the gift that keeps on killing. They go to social media, they put your picture on a website and call you a heretic. They eat the spleen of individuals who aren't even members of the same forum where they are eating the guy's lunch.

You know, the three Hebrew children went through a fire? Yet, when they came out on the other side you couldn't tell they were ever in a super hot furnace? Not even the smell of smoke.

Some people just need to, in the immortal (or immoral) words of Taylor Swift, just "Shake it off."

Or to remain biblical, do what Paul did when the viper attached itself to his hand - shake it off.

Bitterness and unforgiveness will send a person to hell.

I'll post again, Jesus' parable of the unforgiving servant who was forgiven much but refused forgiveness for a small amount owed him. He was brought back before the Lord of the servants and all his previously forgiven debts were put back on him.

A person can argue all they want, but if they refuse to forgive someone, when judgement day comes, all their previously remitted sins will be heaped back upon them and they will be judged and cast into hell.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

Some people just need to, in the immortal (or immoral) words of Taylor Swift, just "Shake it off."

Or to remain biblical, do what Paul did when the viper attached itself to his hand - shake it off.

Bitterness and unforgiveness will send a person to hell.

I'll post again, Jesus' parable of the unforgiving servant who was forgiven much but refused forgiveness for a small amount owed him. He was brought back before the Lord of the servants and all his previously forgiven debts were put back on him.

A person can argue all they want, but if they refuse to forgive someone, when judgement day comes, all their previously remitted sins will be heaped back upon them and they will be judged and cast into hell.

N David, you sir are a 100% correct!

[Esaias]

I guess Godsdrummer has me on ignore?

Oh well.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I guess Godsdrummer has me on ignore?

Oh well.

No I don't have you on ignore! Just because I don't address you specifically, I feel I have answered your questions in the post that I have written already.

If you cannot grasp the concept that I have been stating, addressing your specific question will not change that. Your refusal to see that what you are doing is just what Jesus condemned the religious leaders of his day of doing, that of making every perceived commandment a law.

You continue to search scriptures thinking that in keeping these perceived commandments you have obtained eternal life, failing to understand that eternal life is found in Christ and Christ alone.
Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

[good samaritan]

I don't know personally anything about this pastor or church. If this pastor has done the things that he is accused of then he is simply reaping what he has sown. I don't agree with taking a bro. to law, but there is a uniqueness when a pastor has gotten so high that there is not anyone to pull his coat tail. If these accusations are true then nothing else may be done.

HH if I were you I would steer clear of this thread and do not allow bitterness to rule your life. I have seen some pastors who were as you described, but I stayed away. I pray for them. We speak of forgiveness, but that is easy to say when it isn't something that is affecting us. You will have to make the effort to bury the hatchet.

I am not saying that forgiveness and reconciliation are the same. I could never call this man a brother (based on your info.), but I would pray for his soul and hope that God would change him. These threads that just bash on people are not pleasing to God. All these threads started just to slander someone isn't apostolic. Paul did give warnings in his letters, but they were brief and to the point. We sometimes have to call something out, but then we must move on.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I don't know personally anything about this pastor or church. If this pastor has done the things that he is accused of then he is simply reaping what he has sown. I don't agree with taking a bro. to law, but there is a uniqueness when a pastor has gotten so high that there is not anyone to pull his coat tail. If these accusations are true then nothing else may be done.

HH if I were you I would steer clear of this thread and do not allow bitterness to rule your life. I have seen some pastors who were as you described, but I stayed away. I pray for them. We speak of forgiveness, but that is easy to say when it isn't something that is affecting us. You will have to make the effort to bury the hatchet.

I am not saying that forgiveness and reconciliation are the same. I could never call this man a brother (based on your info.), but I would pray for his soul and hope that God would change him. These threads that just bash on people are not pleasing to God. All these threads started just to slander someone isn't apostolic. Paul did give warnings in his letters, but they were brief and to the point. We sometimes have to call something out, but then we must move on.

[n david]

I do like their Statement of Faith list, though the statement on the Holy Ghost is questionable. I don't see any trinny verbage, but I may have missed it.

11.We believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit as a distinct aspect of the Christian foundational experience with the primary evidence of speaking in tongues as well as evidences such as empowerment to witness, to conquer sin and to live a holy life (Acts 2:1-4; 8:14-17; 19:6).

•The biblical form of church government is a plurality of elders with a Lead Pastor who all qualify on the basis of 1 Timothy 3 in spiritual life, character, domestic life and ruling ability.

•Every believer in Christ must be subject to God’s authority in a specific local church for spiritual protection and long term fruitfulness

Ruh roh Sounds like a recipe for another conflict.

http://www.citybiblechurch.org/what-we-believe

The Ministerial Fellowship of which the Pastor is chairman has a different take on its statement of faith:

We believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit as an experience subsequent to salvation, with the Scriptural evidence; namely, speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance (Acts 2:1-4; 8:14-17; 10:44-46; Galatians 3:14-15).

The HG is not a subsequent experience. It is not an added benefit. It is an essential part of the New Birth.

http://www.mfileader.org/?DoctrinalStatement

[Holy Ghost HH]

Originally Posted by n david

I do like their Statement of Faith list, though the statement on the Holy Ghost is questionable. I don't see any trinny verbage, but I may have missed it.








Ruh roh Sounds like a recipe for another conflict.

http://www.citybiblechurch.org/what-we-believe

The Ministerial Fellowship of which the Pastor is chairman has a different take on its statement of faith:


The HG is not a subsequent experience. It is not an added benefit. It is an essential part of the New Birth.

http://www.mfileader.org/?DoctrinalStatement

Beninhin is judgmental that's all. Notice how all the people that hold position are called pastors. Wow. Sounds like what Godsdrummer was talking about. I might have to check it out.

[Pneuman]

Originally Posted by n david

I do like their Statement of Faith list, though the statement on the Holy Ghost is questionable. I don't see any trinny verbage, but I may have missed it.








Ruh roh Sounds like a recipe for another conflict.

http://www.citybiblechurch.org/what-we-believe

The Ministerial Fellowship of which the Pastor is chairman has a different take on its statement of faith:


The HG is not a subsequent experience. It is not an added benefit. It is an essential part of the New Birth.

http://www.mfileader.org/?DoctrinalStatement

The UPC still has churches throughout who adhere to both of the modes of salvation. Some declare the necessity of full Acts 2:38 experience, some adhere to Romans 10 salvation and a 2nd and 3rd blessing. City Bible believes that after a person repents they need to go on and be water baptized in the name of Jesus and receive the Holy Ghost if they expect to live for God. I have yet to see anybody stop after repentance and say, "I think I am OK right here." I may or may not fully agree with the mode, but I have no doubt people are being saved and delivered in our church.

At the "Merger" that formed the UPC there were two major organizations (and a couple of smaller ones I believe), the PCI and the PAJC. One held to the Acts 2:38 formula, the other to the three blessing formula with salvation obtained at repentance and confession. The "Merger" happened when one of the elders received a Word from the Lord that they should "contend for the unity of the Spirit until they all come into the unity of the faith." Thus, the UPC was born. Over the years this division has become more and more polarizing for some reason ... don't have any idea why people find the need to force others to believe the exact same way they do, but here we are. Our church has a very large contingent of ex-UPC families, people who have been run out of UPC churches because they couldn't "get it right" and some who have just seen the revelation that the UPC adds to the scripture like we did. In fact, my Pastor and his family are ex-UPC.

We are well fed spiritually, people are being saved, where's the beef?