Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Wow, I predicted that Mike would mock the leaves of the Tree of Life and he did!

He could not resist mocking it, because he is driven to mock it.....

So, the resurrected souls will need the leaves for healing? Yes, or no?

[Sean]

Correction, "most" dispees.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, the resurrected souls will need the leaves for healing? Yes, or no?

The very presence of the Tree is the likely source of eternal health.

It even bears fruit...

7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.




Just like the water of life, that is free to drink....

22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.....

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


If you deny the leaves of the Tree of life are for the healing of the nations, then you deny the word of God and the words of the Book of Revelation.

But, that is your business, and your salvation.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

The very presence of the Tree is the likely source of eternal health.

What do you mean "likely" Either you know or you don't know. So, what is it? the presence of the tree life is the source of eternal life for the resurrected souls? I thought they already had eternal life through Jesus Christ? Now, the have a tree. Sean, do they have to eat the leaves? I heard Jesse Duplantis say that you were supposed to rub the leaves on your face. Well, that is what he said when he went to heaven. He also saw King David and lots of chinese children.

Originally Posted by Sean

Just like the water of life, that is free to drink....

Please explain John 4:13-14.

Originally Posted by Sean

If you deny the leaves of the Tree of life are for the healing of the nations, then you deny the word of God and the words of the Book of Revelation.

No, I don't deny what is written in the book of Revelation. I just don't believe in your interpretation of the book of Revelation.

Originally Posted by Sean

But, that is your business, and your salvation.[/COLOR]

So, when Jesus said in John 7:38 that out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water He actually meant that would happen physically?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, when Jesus said in John 7:38 that out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water He actually meant that would happen physically?

Aren't you apostolic? Ain't you never been in church when the preachin' was hot and the spit was a-flyin'?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Aren't you apostolic? Ain't you never been in church when the preachin' was hot and the spit was a-flyin'?

I got one better.

I was in a meeting when it was going full blast and a huge brother was hugging my neck and the sweat (no lie) was pouring out of his arm pits like buckets of hot water.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I got one better.

I was in a meeting when it was going full blast and a huge brother was hugging my neck and the sweat (no lie) was pouring out of his arm pits like buckets of hot water.

Ah, ye olde time revival rasslin'! Had you in one of them Pentecostal headlocks, did he? Been there quite a few times myself. Chiropractors are frauds, anyway. Folks just need to get in a good old fashioned shoutin' service.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What do you mean "likely" Either you know or you don't know. So, what is it?

I know you highly esteem my doctrines, but I am not God, Benincasa. I dont know everything.....LOL


the presence of the tree life is the source of eternal life for the resurrected souls? I thought they already had eternal life through Jesus Christ? Now, the have a tree. Sean, do they have to eat the leaves? I heard Jesse Duplantis say that you were supposed to rub the leaves on your face. Well, that is what he said when he went to heaven. He also saw King David and lots of chinese children.

All it says is the presence of the Tree of Life, causes wellness. This is merely cause and effect.
It implies the necessity of the Tree being in heaven to obtain eternal life. I am good with God creating a cause and effect plan for heaven, aren't you?





Please explain John 4:13-14.

John 4:13-14
13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:(this is SPIRITUAL water from the SPIRITUAL realm for our SPIRITUAL man.)

14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.(God see's it like He says it)





No, I don't deny what is written in the book of Revelation. I just don't believe in your interpretation of the book of Revelation.

My "interpretation" is to believe what I read.



So, when Jesus said in John 7:38 that out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water He actually meant that would happen physically?

No, SPIRITUALLY, not physically!
The Holy Ghost is invisible, it is a Spirit.
Have you ever noticed, that you can feel the Holy Ghost coming out from within the middle of your body(near your diaphragm) as you speak in tongues, and not just your head?

If so, you are experiencing a sensation of the spiritual water, proceeding from that area of your body.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Sean

All dispees believe in a Literal Tree of Life.

Were you raised preterist?

Nope, not a preterist.

I was raised in typical upci fashion, fear of the end time, fear of the beast, every month would bring another new anti-Christ, everything became the mark of the beast......

But my pastor/dad was different in one respect. He would allow men to come through and preach their thoughts on the matter and he would look at things.

My Brother is hard core dispee, they wont even talk to us heretics. He never had children because he was afraid of what would happen to them after reading Matthew.

Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

This probably began the process of me seeing the error of dispensationalism and what that heresy brings. The fear, the lack of understanding, the fear, the manipulation of people, the fear...

Then I began to look at other end time doctrines, post trib, preterism, etc. I had no idea what preterism was until I was called it. I had to look the word up to even know what people were talking about. The problem with many within the ranks of Pentecost is that if you say you are not dispensationalist then they automatically rank you as a preterist. There is no in between.

But I view preterism as the other side of the ditch from dispensationalism, both are ditches and both are wrong.

There is a middle ground. That is what I a looking for.

[Sean]

Sometimes that SPIRITUAL water flows for hours when we get lost in the Spirit.