The Persecution of Women in the Church

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

My departing comments on this thread.

Folks, this has been fun, but not what I had intended. Newman said it best in his last thread; the thread was originally designed to address the issue of "Eve being the mother of all living" and how Satan would attempt to destroy her. The church I was referring to was not your local assembly, but the historical church that reaches across the globe and from generation to generation.
How the early church fathers may or may not have contributed to the spirit of persecution against the female gender. Those who believe that women have not and are still not being persecuted just don't have a global view and proper understanding of what Satan is up to.

I live in a very poor section of the country and abuse is rampant. Domestic abuse and violence against women is at an all time high. Incest, rape, molestation is staggering. I can't tell you the women I've prayed for at the altars who have been molested by their fathers. It seems like a daily occurance.
If 15 year olds who are carrying their fathers babies is not persecution against women, I don't know what is. My heart bleeds for a church that will rise to the occasion and stand against this spiritual agression.

As a pastor in this community, we are actively working to help and mend these broken souls.

The righteous church should be involved in helping and extending a hand to this crticial area of need in our society. We have to stop shouting and jumping and start caring, loving and giving. Open our hearts, our homes, get dirty and involved in what Jesus died for.

We must be willing to look beyond ourselves and see the real world for whom Jesus died. I love the Apostolic faith, but a name means nothng to the crack addict selling her body for a $2.00 hit. The incident of AIDS in my part of the country is some of the highest. I'm sure if some of you checked you would be amazed at the statistics locally.

Globally; Bosnia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the slave trade, muslim oppression, mormonism, domestic abuse and violence, etc. was also on my mind and I hoped would have been addressed.

I'm new to the thread, but honestly I don't know if I'll be back. I have some really interesting questions still lingering, but the offense and personal negativity is astounding. The inability to have open dialogue without offense is lacking. I'm guilty also and will search my heart as well.

Satan is interested in destroying Eve. I've seen too much of it and you can't convince me otherwise. God Bless.

I appreciate the love and compassion being expressed in this post. I totally agree with you when you say, "We must be willing to look beyond ourselves and see the real world for whom Jesus died."

I have grown so tired of the apathy that exists among OPs when it comes to actually doing what Jesus Christ has commissioned us to do. For most Christians it's all about having church instead of being the church. For most it's let's go to church and be entertained.

If the church wants to be the church, it needs to catch the spirit of what you are expressing in this post.

[rgcraig]

After reading CH's last post, TB you have summed up my exacts thoughts!

Crazyhomie, thank you so much for your last post. We are so blessed in our own little world that we only speak of what surrounds us, what affects us, so many times we speak with on.

TB, you really hit the nail square on the head!

I'm sure God at times is so disappointed in us as we fuss and fight and want to be called his church. We've lost touch with reality for the most part because we don't live day to day surrounded by people like CH has talked about.

Man, this has ripped into my heart............

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

I appreciate the love and compassion being expressed in this post. I totally agree with you when you say, "We must be willing to look beyond ourselves and see the real world for whom Jesus died."

I have grown so tired of the apathy that exists among OPs when it comes to actually doing what Jesus Christ has commissioned us to do. For most Christians it's all about having church instead of being the church. For most it's let's go to church and be entertained.

If the church wants to be the church, it needs to catch the spirit of what you are expressing in this post.

P.S. Crazyhomie - please stick around - - we need conviction in our lives.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I lovethe ACTS church where men and women went everywhere preaching the gospel...it was not about big I little you or vise versa it was about JESUS..YAHSHUA...

Originally Posted by rgcraig

After reading CH's last post, TB you have summed up my exacts thoughts!

Crazyhomie, thank you so much for your last post. We are so blessed in our own little world that we only speak of what surrounds us, what affects us, so many times we speak with on.

TB, you really hit the nail square on the head!

I'm sure God at times is so disappointed in us as we fuss and fight and want to be called his church. We've lost touch with reality for the most part because we don't live day to day surrounded by people like CH has talked about.

Man, this has ripped into my heart............



P.S. Crazyhomie - please stick around - - we need conviction in our lives.

Amen...

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

After reading CH's last post, TB you have summed up my exacts thoughts!

Crazyhomie, thank you so much for your last post. We are so blessed in our own little world that we only speak of what surrounds us, what affects us, so many times we speak with on.

TB, you really hit the nail square on the head!

I'm sure God at times is so disappointed in us as we fuss and fight and want to be called his church. We've lost touch with reality for the most part because we don't live day to day surrounded by people like CH has talked about.

Man, this has ripped into my heart............



P.S. Crazyhomie - please stick around - - we need conviction in our lives.

Christianity that is just in the heart and in the head may be either sentimentalism or intellectualism. For Christianity to be alive, it must be lived out. This is what makes the Christian faith the most powerful force in the world!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

I appreciate the love and compassion being expressed in this post. I totally agree with you when you say, "We must be willing to look beyond ourselves and see the real world for whom Jesus died."

I have grown so tired of the apathy that exists among OPs when it comes to actually doing what Jesus Christ has commissioned us to do. For most Christians it's all about having church instead of being the church. For most it's let's go to church and be entertained.

If the church wants to be the church, it needs to catch the spirit of what you are expressing in this post.

Post of the Week.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

I appreciate the love and compassion being expressed in this post. I totally agree with you when you say, "We must be willing to look beyond ourselves and see the real world for whom Jesus died."

I have grown so tired of the apathy that exists among OPs when it comes to actually doing what Jesus Christ has commissioned us to do. For most Christians it's all about having church instead of being the church. For most it's let's go to church and be entertained.

If the church wants to be the church, it needs to catch the spirit of what you are expressing in this post.

Originally Posted by rgcraig

After reading CH's last post, TB you have summed up my exacts thoughts!

Crazyhomie, thank you so much for your last post. We are so blessed in our own little world that we only speak of what surrounds us, what affects us, so many times we speak with on.

TB, you really hit the nail square on the head!

I'm sure God at times is so disappointed in us as we fuss and fight and want to be called his church. We've lost touch with reality for the most part because we don't live day to day surrounded by people like CH has talked about.

Man, this has ripped into my heart............

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Post of the Week.

My husband is all about soul winning. He's a missionary at heart whether it's home or foreign. It's his heartbeat and it's what has defined his "call" since the beginning -- since even before I knew him.

It was also my passion and burden, particularly in the arena of prayer. I guess that might be part of the reason God put the 2 of us together.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

If 15 year olds who are carrying their fathers babies is not persecution against women, I don't know what is. My heart bleeds for a church that will rise to the occasion and stand against this spiritual agression.

Just because a man does this to a woman does not mean the church is persecuting women AND as I pointed out, churches and people IN churches have done things against men too....why isn't that persecution?

The righteous church should be involved in helping and extending a hand to this crticial area of need in our society. We have to stop shouting and jumping and start caring, loving and giving. Open our hearts, our homes, get dirty and involved in what Jesus died for.

The righteous church should be taking care of ALL the problems, not finger pointing and making it just one gender that is the victim or the agressor. These things happen because humanity is corrupt, not because the church is persecuting women

We must be willing to look beyond ourselves and see the real world for whom Jesus died. I love the Apostolic faith, but a name means nothng to the crack addict selling her body for a $2.00 hit. The incident of AIDS in my part of the country is some of the highest. I'm sure if some of you checked you would be amazed at the statistics locally.

Ok, I had to just check the title again....persecution of women in the church...Im reading what you are posting and I don't see the connection

Globally; Bosnia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the slave trade, muslim oppression, mormonism, domestic abuse and violence, etc. was also on my mind and I hoped would have been addressed.

And we blame the church?!?! Huh?

I'm new to the thread, but honestly I don't know if I'll be back. I have some really interesting questions still lingering, but the offense and personal negativity is astounding. The inability to have open dialogue without offense is lacking. I'm guilty also and will search my heart as well.

I don't find anything anyone here says offensive. I do find it inconsistent though and lacking deep thinking to be sure. If it's not women, it's blacks, then hispanics....the truth is humanity is corrupt and it does not take a special gender or race to be at the receiving end of that corruption. When discussing important issues I find it generally better to not make wild controversial statements that are generally untrue and are aimed only at trying to get under peoples skin... Let's discuss these issues, but let's stop acting like this is the church persecuting women and like women are the only victims at the hands of corrupt men

Satan is interested in destroying Eve. I've seen too much of it and you can't convince me otherwise. God Bless.

Satan is interested in destroying Adam AND Eve. Come on guys, this is kinda nutty. This is bad as the magic hair doctrine that teaches God gave women some special power that Adam did not have.

[Rhoni]

Sis. Barb,

Persecution isn't just about the obvious putting your life in danger as has been brought out by many. Persecution takes many forms.

You have valid points about satan being on an all out attack on humanity as a whole, but I believe Crazyhomie has just as valid points that if satan attacks the women then he has the families.

Even the 'world' considers women among the discriminated against for centuries, right along with others who have been captive, bound, and held back.

One does not have to be right and one wrong...there are valid points on all sides. We all see through the glasses of our own experience in thse matters. if we unite instead of separating then we can make a difference in our world and being aware of satan's devices is the first offensive plan of attack.

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. You are among the most articulate so I don't know why you don't consider yourself as such.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Sis. Barb,

Persecution isn't just about the obvious putting your life in danger as has been brought out by many. Persecution takes many forms.

You have valid points about satan being on an all out attack on humanity as a whole, but I believe Crazyhomie has just as valid points that if satan attacks the women then he has the families.

Even the 'world' considers women among the discriminated against for centuries, right along with others who have been captive, bound, and held back.

One does not have to be right and one wrong...there are valid points on all sides. We all see through the glasses of our own experience in tese matters. if we unite instead of separte then we can make a difference in our world.

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. You are among the most articulate so I don't know why you don't consider yourself as such.

Thank you for the compliment, but I often feel out of my element and wonder from day to day why I remain.

I agree that there are valid points on all sides. Unfortunately, in the heat of whatever, they are often overlooked and things get out of hand...all in the name of love you understand.

Discrimination has been with us from the beginning of time, but to call it persecution from the Church...I will NEVER say that!!

But oh how I wish the Body would and could unite, Rhonda...

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Barb

Thank you for the compliment, but I often feel out of my element and wonder from day to day why I remain.

I agree that there are valid points on all sides. Unfortunately, in the heat of whatever, they are often overlooked and things get out of hand...all in the name of love you understand.

Discrimination has been with us from the beginning of time, but to call it persecution from the Church...I will NEVER say that!!

But oh how I wish the Body would and could unite, Rhonda...

I think Christ summed it up well...the commandments can all be summed up in this: Loving your neighbor as yourself. If we were just full of mercy, grace, and love...there would be no issues.

Barb,

We realize with our heads but sometimes not with our hearts...the church is the sum of it's members/people. Persecution often comes as the world affects the church. Discrimination and denegration of women is in the body as one member exalts themselves over another. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the church affected the world to a greater extent than vica versa?

Love & Prayers, Rhonda