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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
<grin> As the author is indicated as the "follower Jesus loved" AND the only male figure in the entire book who was specifically noted as the one Jesus loved was Lazarus (not John oops) it has been proposed by as least some scholars that this was the author.
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Joh 11:5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus.
Joh 13:23 One of his disciples, whom Jesus loved, was reclining at table close to Jesus,
Joh 19:26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!"
Joh 19:27 Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
Joh 20:2 So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him."
Joh 21:7 That disciple whom Jesus loved therefore said to Peter, "It is the Lord!" When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put on his outer garment, for he was stripped for work, and threw himself into the sea.
Joh 21:20 Peter turned and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them, the one who had been reclining at table close to him and had said, "Lord, who is it that is going to betray you?"
Scholars.
Notes for 13:23
55 sn Here for the first time the one Jesus loved, the ‘beloved disciple,’ is introduced. This individual also is mentioned in 19:26, 20:2, 21:7, and 21:20. Some have suggested that this disciple is to be identified with Lazarus, since the Fourth Gospel specifically states that Jesus loved him (11:3, 5, 36). From the terminology alone this is a possibility; the author is certainly capable of using language in this way to indicate connections.
But there is nothing else to indicate that Lazarus was present at the last supper;
Mark 14:17 seems to indicate it was only the twelve who were with Jesus at this time, and there is no indication in the Fourth Gospel to the contrary. Nor does it appear that Lazarus ever stood so close to Jesus as the later references in chaps. 19, 20 and 21 seem to indicate. When this is coupled with the omission of all references to John son of Zebedee from the Fourth Gospel, it seems far more likely that the references to the beloved disciple should be understood as references to him.
Biblical Studies Press. (2006). The NET Bible First Edition Notes (Jn 13:23). Biblical Studies Press.
Whom Jesus loved (ὁν ἠγαπα Ἰησους [hon ēgapa Iēsous]). Imperfect active of ἀγαπαω [agapaō], John’s description of himself of which he was proud (19:26; 20:2; 21:7, 20), identified in 21:24 as the author of the book and necessarily one of the twelve because of the “explicit” (Bernard) language of Mark (14:17=
Luke 22:14). John son of Zebedee and brother of James. At the table John was on the right of Jesus lying obliquely so that his head lay on the bosom of Jesus.
Robertson, A. (1933). Word Pictures in the New Testament (Jn 13:23). Nashville, TN: Broadman Press.
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No scholar (outside of Prax) 'declares' John as the author.
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Really? Let's see if the following declare John is the gospel
Authorship and Date. The authorship of the Gospel of John has been traditionally ascribed to the apostle John, the son of Zebedee and the brother of James. The Gospel itself, however, does not put forth the author’s name (which has made the authorship of John a much-debated issue among interpreters).
The only reference to the author is the “disciple whom Jesus loved” (21:20, 24).
The apostle John is usually seen as the author because the Gospel exhibits many marks that intimate it was written by one who was an eyewitness to the life and ministry of Jesus, such as the aroma of the broken perfume jar in the house at Bethany (12:3).
Even individuals who were anonymous in the Synoptics are given names in John’s Gospel (6:7–8; 12:3; 18:10). Many other aspects of the Gospel point toward the apostle John. Examples are the author’s knowledge of Palestinian geography, Jewish customs, and the author’s inclusion within the inner circle of disciples (listed by the Synoptic Gospels as Peter, James, and John). Writers in the earliest periods of Christian history, such as Irenaeus and Tertullian, also attribute the Gospel to the apostle John.
Who was John the apostle?
John was “the disciple whom Jesus loved” (13:23; 19:26; 20:2; 21:7, 20, 24). John’s brother was James, and together they were called the “sons of thunder” by Jesus (
Mark 3:17). John’s mother was Salome, who served Jesus in Galilee and later witnessed His crucifixion (
Mark 15:40–41). Formerly a follower of John the Baptist, the apostle John was perhaps only twenty-five years of age when called to be a follower of Christ.
Beyond this Gospel, John has been traditionally understood to have written the three epistles bearing his name as well as the Book of Revelation. After Christ ascended to heaven, John became one of the principal figures of the church at Jerusalem, along with Peter and James (
Acts 3:1; 8:14;
Gal. 2:9). Second only to the apostle Paul in the number of books written that are included in the New Testament canon, John served as the pastor of the church at Ephesus. The emperor Domitian later exiled him to Patmos, where he wrote the Book of Revelation (
Rev. 1:9). Most interpreters have concluded that John’s was the last of the four Gospels to be written, most likely between A.D. 60 and 95.
White, J. E. (1998). John. In D. S. Dockery (Ed.), Holman concise Bible commentary (D. S. Dockery, Ed.) (463). Nashville, TN: Broadman & Holman Publishers.
In the light of this patristic witness a few conservative scholars still affirm the Apostle John as this Gospel’s author (e.g. Morris, 1972; cf. Tasker, 1960). More commonly they defend the idea that he was the fountainhead of a tradition culminating in the Gospel (Carson, 1991), a view advocated also by Brown (1966) and Schnackenburg (1968) in their commentaries, though both later changed their minds. However, the majority of recent scholars reject even this possibility, for a variety of reasons.
Edwards, R. (2003). Discovering John (22). London: Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge.
AUTHOR
First John is anonymous, though the early church consistently ascribed it (as well as 2 and 3 Jn) to the Apostle John. The early church never suggested anyone else as its author. Evidence of John’s authorship is strong and consistent, with these as some of the key facts to remember: (1) The author claimed to be an eyewitness of Jesus (1:1–3). (2) First John displays numerous similarities with the Gospel of John in terms of theology, vocabulary, and syntax. (3) Early church leaders Papias, Polycarp, Irenaeus, and Clement of Alexandria all affirmed John the apostle as the author.
In both 2 and 3 John, the author identified himself as “the Elder,” and tradition affirms this to be John the apostle, the same person who wrote the first letter of John. Indeed, the obvious similarities in vocabulary, theme, and language have led most modern scholars to argue for common authorship of these three letters, even if they reject the Apostle John as that author. However, the writing style in the two smaller letters is so similar to that of 1 John and the Gospel of John as to assure common authorship.
Cabal, T., Brand, C. O., Clendenen, E. R., Copan, P., Moreland, J., & Powell, D. (2007). The Apologetics Study Bible: Real Questions, Straight Answers, Stronger Faith (1863). Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers.
I can quote more authors if you need it
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Prax well knows that there is no "original" gospel of John and certainly not a version WITH the prologue, which was actually an old hymn according to some which was attached to the gospel.
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What ancient MSS don't have the prologue?
Does it make sense that a letter would NOT have a prologue? That contradicts the normative writing style of the day. Every letter has a prologue. That is may have been hymnal is irrelevant. The bible is full of figures of speech or literary devices that reflect the culture of the day or a normative pattern of the people who represented the genre. See other books of the bible and how they contained songs or what appears as songs or something poetic.
What silence?
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But we will see. Perhaps the requested information will turn up.
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Were you seriously saying my silence? You need some patience.
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