"Beards are sin!" False doctrine?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Well then, that settles it!

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by

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Men are gods to them!

I must confess that I do not wear a beard. I shave nearly every day. But the issue to me is that the doctrine is not in harmony with the scripture. If Jesus did wear a beard, which seems to be the consensus, and the apostles did, which seems to be the case, why are we as Apostolics preaching against them?

The words of the Disciple above take on a very real meaning when we would rather have respect for the words of men, than the example of Jesus. It has been referenced several times here, but is it not significant that if Jesus showed up in our services (in the flesh) that He would not be allowed on the platform? He really would be watched closely, not in a reverent way, but out of a suspicion for His lack of Spirituality. No one in our ranks would believe that it was Him. That would be evident just because He was wearing a beard. Surely Jesus would never do such a thing.

Is the regard for the words of men above the example of Jesus not a pretty solid case for idolatry?

Maybe men ARE gods to them!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I must confess that I do not wear a beard. I shave nearly every day. But the issue to me is that the doctrine is not in harmony with the scripture. If Jesus did wear a beard, which seems to be the consensus, and the apostles did, which seems to be the case, why are we as Apostolics preaching against them?

The words of the Disciple above take on a very real meaning when we would rather have respect for the words of men, than the example of Jesus. It has been referenced several times here, but is it not significant that if Jesus showed up in our services (in the flesh) that He would not be allowed on the platform? He really would be watched closely, not in a reverent way, but out of a suspicion for His lack of Spirituality. No one in our ranks would believe that it was Him. That would be evident just because He was wearing a beard. Surely Jesus would never do such a thing.

Is the regard for the words of men above the example of Jesus not a pretty solid case for idolatry?

Maybe men ARE gods to them!

It isn't a sin to be clean shaven. Nor is it a sin to have a beard.

To condemn a man who is bearded or clean shaven, or to divide the body, showing personal favoritism is not of God.

In a true and biblical Apostolic church... it wouldn't matter if one shaves or not.

And if one believes in keeping the Torah, then we have an issue. Because then there would be Scripture that would indeed encourage wearing a beard over being clean shaven.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

The words of the Disciple above take on a very real meaning when we would rather have respect for the words of men, than the example of Jesus. It has been referenced several times here, but is it not significant that if Jesus showed up in our services (in the flesh) that He would not be allowed on the platform? He really would be watched closely, not in a reverent way, but out of a suspicion for His lack of Spirituality. No one in our ranks would believe that it was Him. That would be evident just because He was wearing a beard. Surely Jesus would never do such a thing.

You and the other beardos are assuming Jesus would be wearing a robe and growing a beard today. What evidence do you have of this?

It was Jewish custom to grow a beard in Biblical days, as it was to wear a robe.

I don't not believe, were Jesus to appear in human form again today, he would be rocking a robe and sandals. I doubt he'd have a beard either.

But this argument that, "Jesus wouldn't be welcomed on your platforms" is absurd! Talk about feelz and an emotion-based statement.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

You and the other beardos are assuming Jesus would be wearing a robe and growing a beard today. What evidence do you have of this?

It was Jewish custom to grow a beard in Biblical days, as it was to wear a robe.

I don't not believe, were Jesus to appear in human form again today, he would be rocking a robe and sandals. I doubt he'd have a beard either.

But this argument that, "Jesus wouldn't be welcomed on your platforms" is absurd! Talk about feelz and an emotion-based statement.

It shouldn't matter if Jesus appeared today with a beard or not. I wouldn't care one way or another. However, if He did appear with a beard... face it, He'd definitely not be welcomed on most Apostolic platforms.

It's an analytical fact based on the standards those folks hold. If there's any "feelze" about it... it's you experiencing cognitive dissonance because you know it would indeed be the truth.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It shouldn't matter if Jesus appeared today with a beard or not. I wouldn't care one way or another.

You obviously do care, since you've been posting pictures of some guys you believe Jesus looked like.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by n david

You and the other beardos are assuming Jesus would be wearing a robe and growing a beard today. What evidence do you have of this?

It was Jewish custom to grow a beard in Biblical days, as it was to wear a robe.

I don't not believe, were Jesus to appear in human form again today, he would be rocking a robe and sandals. I doubt he'd have a beard either.

But this argument that, "Jesus wouldn't be welcomed on your platforms" is absurd! Talk about feelz and an emotion-based statement.

See what I mean? I am, according to you a beardo? I, who am clean-shaven as of six thirty this morning am a beardo. It seems like I'm dealing with a third grader here. Are you more interested in learning something, or in insulting somebody?

You saying I am a beardo or that I am dumb is a greater reflection of your own level of maturity than it is my level of intelligence or my weirdness.

Brother, if I am so dumb, please teach me. Help me know all of the great things that you have learned.

Meanwhile, set an example for me on showing the fruits of the Spirit. What I don't want to learn is how to tear down my brother and cannibalize each other. How does that edify, or who does that edify?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I must confess that I do not wear a beard. I shave nearly every day. But the issue to me is that the doctrine is not in harmony with the scripture. If Jesus did wear a beard, which seems to be the consensus, and the apostles did, which seems to be the case, why are we as Apostolics preaching against them?

The words of the Disciple above take on a very real meaning when we would rather have respect for the words of men, than the example of Jesus. It has been referenced several times here, but is it not significant that if Jesus showed up in our services (in the flesh) that He would not be allowed on the platform? He really would be watched closely, not in a reverent way, but out of a suspicion for His lack of Spirituality. No one in our ranks would believe that it was Him. That would be evident just because He was wearing a beard. Surely Jesus would never do such a thing.

Is the regard for the words of men above the example of Jesus not a pretty solid case for idolatry?

Maybe men ARE gods to them!

Exactly! Why cant they see this? In their folly they have turned away MULTITUDES of good men, then using them as object lessons on pride and rebellion, and ultimately trillions of years in Hell.

And then how many men with a call to Preach are sitting on a pew not able to fulfill their ministry?

Yes these men pleasing "shave only" Pastors will give an account. What is needed is for one powerful Pastor or Evangelist or Prophet to stand up publickly and call out their false teaching! I dont believe it would take long if someone would lead the way!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Exactly! Why cant they see this? In their folly they have turned away MULTITUDES of good men, then using them as object lessons on pride and rebellion, and ultimately trillions of years in Hell.

And then how many men with a call to Preach are sitting on a pew not able to fulfill their ministry?

Yes these men pleasing "shave only" Pastors will give an account. What is needed is for one powerful Pastor or Evangelist or Prophet to stand up publickly and call out their false teaching! I dont believe it would take long if someone would lead the way!

They'd reject and condemn such a man, Michael. And then they'd slap each other on the backs, and give one another high fives, for their witty insults and one liners that discredit him. You can't put the new wine into old wine skins.

Their entire system is firmly in the grasp of human tradition. It has to be condemned, rejected, along with those who are enslaved and who are vested to its man made doctrines and identity. They've chosen tradition over Jesus. So, abandon them to it. Let them have all the traditions of man they could ever want or ask for... until it overflows, spewing from their nostrils in the judgment. They want the traditions of men... let them have them. But never cease to remind them, they are out of the book, and judgment is coming.

Then, such a man or prophet would need to have able men form a new fellowship wherein such unbiblical standards do not exist. Perhaps an entire overhaul on what it means to be, "Apostolic". A true, Bible based, Apostolic Church.

[Aquila]

I was looking up artistic depictions of Jesus. All have beards. But, most are unbiblical, depicting Jesus with long flowing locks of hair. So far, I keep running into this picture below... it seems more biblical than the long haired hippie Jesus I see all over the net: