An Uncertain Sound - Page 3

dizzyde · #21 12-05-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkman

Like I said, it ain't gonna happen. Not now, not ever. There are too many Board members who have TV's. Face the facts. You may not like it, but that's just the way it is. If only ONE minister is denied renewal for owning a TV, I tell you, there will be a firestorm!

Yes, I know it is a little "in your face" That is mainly more for effect than anything else. The cover letter stands and there is nothing anyone in the UPC can do about it. As I said, I double dog dare anyone!!! Aint' gonna happen!!! There is too much blatant hypocrisy for anyone to come down on someone for the worst of sins as having a TV.

Immorality is another matter. Someone should be canned immediately for that. But I have a TV and I'm not getting rid of it and neither will I surrender in my license. They can have my license when they pry my cold dead fingers from around it!!! Ha....
In fact, I dare to say that I could tell any board member that I have a TV and still sign the AS and there is NOTHING they could or would do!!!! Period!!!

WOW. I don't even know what to say to you except, WOW. Why would you want to be a part of an organization that you have such venom for. It seems soooo unproductive. The energy that you are wasting in such extreme negative emotion towards it is tragic.

stmatthew · #22 12-05-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkman

Like I said, it ain't gonna happen. Not now, not ever. There are too many Board members who have TV's. Face the facts. You may not like it, but that's just the way it is. If only ONE minister is denied renewal for owning a TV, I tell you, there will be a firestorm!

Yes, I know it is a little "in your face" That is mainly more for effect than anything else. The cover letter stands and there is nothing anyone in the UPC can do about it. As I said, I double dog dare anyone!!! Aint' gonna happen!!! There is too much blatant hypocrisy for anyone to come down on someone for the worst of sins as having a TV.

Immorality is another matter. Someone should be canned immediately for that. But I have a TV and I'm not getting rid of it and neither will I surrender in my license. They can have my license when they pry my cold dead fingers from around it!!! Ha....

In fact, I dare to say that I could tell any board member that I have a TV and still sign the AS and there is NOTHING they could or would do!!!! Period!!!

Friend,

I have to say that your ethics and integrity are shining reeeeaaallllll brightly in your post.

OneAccord · #23 12-05-2007, 06:34 PM

Wow. Think I'll stay outta this one. Except to say.... Try some decaf for a while, Brother. It'll settle your nerves, make ya feel better.

Or maybe just pray about it.

Old Paths · #24 12-05-2007, 06:53 PM

Eccl 7:9

9 Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.
KJV

Truthseeker · #25 12-05-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyImportant

1 Corinthians 14:7-9 (King James Version)

7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

Since the passage of Res 4, many churches are clamoring for the chance to advertise on tv. Mind you, this does not mean that they are going to preach, just advertise.
I wonder just how many members who have bought tv's since the passage? After all, to see the ads one must have a box to do so, unless you watch for it on some publicly posted set.
Wonder how many preachers who say that they upheld the tenets of the org, yet own tv's?
UPC issued an uncertain sound when they passed this sticky resolution.
The manual does not allow for ministers to own a tv set. Nor does it reccomend to members that they own one. Yet, an uncertain sound was indeed issued when the media of tv was permitted for use amongst apostolic churches within the org.
I believe that it will be a matter of time before all restrictions against its use are removed.
The carnality of tv is so evident to any who watch, yet the church runs headlong after it. It is akin to Lot pitching his tent towards Sodom. He became so entranced with the sin that he moved in amongst them.
When the angels tried to get him to leave, he became a mocker. He had to be forcibly dragged out before his carnal carcass roasted along with the rest of the filth that God saw fit to destroy.
The story didn't end there. It wasn't long before an incestuous union with his daughters produced two vile young men who would later torment the children of Abraham. One was to become God's washpot. The other wasn't even useful for that. He was bent on ultimate destruction.
Lot was likely a good, church going individual. When Abraham was told to leave his country and family, he took Lot. Lot had to have attended services of sorts with Abraham. Yet, we find that even Abraham was worried about him for he pleaded with God to save Lot, indicating that he may have known that Lot wouldn't try to reach anyone, but become closely entangled with their sin. What a tragedy.
Those who wanted this res got their wish. The tent has been pitched. The family is now going to be exposed to all sorts of ungodly filth, things that God decreed destroyed in judgement.
Wonder how long it will be before the family moves right in in the name of diversity and begins to declare their union with sin?
What a tragedy that is about to occur in the homes of what were once good, church going folks.
And all of this will come about because of an uncertain sound being sent by a group that seems to have lost their way.

When all said and done Lot was saved!

Hawkman · #26 12-05-2007, 07:03 PM

Truthfully, I'm not near as venomous as it sounds on the surface. I am merely making a point from the original premise of this thread. I don't make a big deal out of having a TV and I don't flaunt it to officials or to anyone. I am able to say the things I do here soley due to anonymouty. Really, some of what I said is sarcasm but since you cant' see me it doesn't come through my typing.

There is no prohibition to watching movies. We would all be shocked at some of the movies our officials watch. But someone has the audacity to state that the whole TV resolution will be the bane of the UPC. Not so at all. TV is already here in the UPC. It has proliferated the UPC. My ethics and integrity are no different than the majority of my brethren who boast about things they don't do or how holy they are.

I don't get drunk. I don't cheat on my wife. I don't steal. I pay my taxes. I tithe. I worship etc. But because I state that I have a TV like most of the other ministers in the UPC I'm a really bad guy. Like I said, I'm not hateful of the UPC, but in light of everything that is going on, to state that I'm bad because I have a TV and sign the AS like everyone else who has one, is beyone me.

Truthseeker · #27 12-05-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkman

Real simple answer. I did NOT lie to get my minister's license. Regarding the AS, quite simply, yes, I have lied when I signed it, according to YOUR view. I will continue to sign it as long as I wish and there is nothing anyone can do about it. I double dog dare anyone to try to take my license for simply having a TV. It ain't gonna happen and everyone knows it ain't gonna happen. It would start a firestorm.

But when you sign aren't you saying you will not have one?

Old Paths · #28 12-05-2007, 07:13 PM

I am not in the UPC.

Never been in the UPC.

No plans t be in the UPC.

And I don't have a tv.

Never had a tv.

No plans to ever have a tv.

The org. doesn't set my boundaries or my convictions.

ManOfWord · #29 12-05-2007, 08:58 PM

Well, it looks like things are heating up around here.

However, it is refreshing to see someone being honest about signing the AS and taking NAU's cue about Districts not being able to come after a minister. Hawk may be "slightly" aggressive and certainly somewhat in your face but he is telling the truth about himself and I think the majority of the ministers in the org. I don't really see him as bragging, but he is making a good point.

I left because I could no longer sign the AS but I never condemned anyone for signing if it didn't bother them. Hawk, like the rest of his "brethren" have to do what they feel they have to do.

You guys can lambaste him for saying what he has, but he is just saying what many more like him would love to say but can't for fear of repercussion.

pelathais · #30 12-05-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Well, it looks like things are heating up around here.

However, it is refreshing to see someone being honest about signing the AS and taking NAU's cue about Districts not being able to come after a minister. Hawk may be "slightly" aggressive and certainly somewhat in your face but he is telling the truth about himself and I think the majority of the ministers in the org. I don't really see him as bragging, but he is making a good point.

I left because I could no longer sign the AS but I never condemned anyone for signing if it didn't bother them. Hawk, like the rest of his "brethren" have to do what they feel they have to do.

You guys can lambaste him for saying what he has, but he is just saying what many more like him would love to say but can't for fear of repercussion.

Agreed, MoW, and Hawkman brings up an interesting point:

Since "television" in all of its myriad forms has been in the UPC for decades really, what has the effect been?

The most telling effect has been our own hypocrisy. But aside from that; what have we seen?

I've sat with some of the most conservative of brethren as their conversation on college basketball left me far, far behind in the dark. I couldn't even talk to these guys in a friendly banter because they had such a wealth of knowledge and an in depth understanding, not just of the rankings but getting right down to players and coaches and their skills and history. These guys will be in Tulsa.

I'm not condemning them for their basketball, I just wonder how they keep so up to date and possess such a detailed knowledge of schools that are no where near to where they live. The answer? They enjoy college basketball on television. Hi guys! Say "Howdy" to brothers Booker and Wilson for me.

But aside from our hypocrisy, how has television already affected the UPC and Apostolic fellowship?