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Old 12-26-2007, 12:45 PM
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I still believe in Acts 2:38 salvation, however I take exception with "3 steps" I believe it is "one step" all inclusive!

Death-Repentance, Burial-Water Baptism In Jesus Name-Resurrection-Holy Ghost
Infilling Evidenced by speaking in an unknown tongue as the Spirit gives the utterance!

All other possible modes of salvation are just idle speculation.
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:46 PM
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Well Matt, I think you can take a look at the first 2 pages of this tHread and find the reasons behind parts of the exodus.

"I know some 3 steppers who are as far from God as you can be"

"19 steps for men 65 steps for women"

and given a little bit of time, I suspect there will be more of the molotov launchers to prove the point even further.
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:48 PM
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I still believe in Acts 2:38 salvation, however I take exception with "3 steps" I believe it is "one step" all inclusive!

Death-Repentance, Burial-Water Baptism In Jesus Name-Resurrection-Holy Ghost
Infilling Evidenced by speaking in an unknown tongue as the Spirit gives the utterance!

All other possible modes of salvation are just idle speculation.
Same here, even posted it once. Mockery was the response I got. Yet I will endure being called a "three-stepper" since that is the terminology some enjoy using.
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:49 PM
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I still believe in Acts 2:38 salvation, however I take exception with "3 steps" I believe it is "one step" all inclusive!

Death-Repentance, Burial-Water Baptism In Jesus Name-Resurrection-Holy Ghost
Infilling Evidenced by speaking in an unknown tongue as the Spirit gives the utterance!

All other possible modes of salvation are just idle speculation.


God Bless you .
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:51 PM
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Isn't it amazing how this attitude permeates the apostolic movement?
Actually poking fun in a condescending manner at the idea of "saved by grace".

Really, it is ignorance.


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You don't believe we are saved by grace? Hmmmm...

Acts 15:11

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
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And who are the Calvinites on this board?!
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:51 PM
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I joined this forum just a few months ago, I have posted on several threads and have found the typical response from most on here is "my traditional way of believing is wrong". I have looked at several other threads here and see a moving from what true apostolic has always been to something that resembles an over all attitude that says "if you don't want to live like you should then twist the word to live like you want". ( That very statement got me called "an old time all going to hell self righteous traditionalist") I have thought about e-mailing admin or posting my opinion on here but figured it would do more damage than help so I simply don't come here much anymore. Since you have started a thread on the subject I will go ahead and post. ( Then duck , because the firestorm thats coming this thread I'm not sure can be handled by the server)
The Apostolic beliefs of this forum as posted in the "Welcome" thread are no where to be seen within the forum itself. After much searching and reading I have found most all of the Acts:238ers have been "degraded to dwell in the Fellowship, playground and more "softer" threads simply because they are being run out of debate and theological threads. While the "new crowd" says its because they can't stand on their own any more, most I talk to say it is because people are either open to discussion or they are not, if they are not then its all about arguing. That is the other thing I have noticed, you may see a "3 stepper" make a post or two and thats it, while the opposition makes insults. It's not hard to tell the difference in beliefs just looking at the attitude in the post.

Yes stmatthew, your forum has become segregated, The 3 steppers have opted to the occasional post in discusion while the new crowd argues , fights, insults and bickers over beliefs. The 3-steppers post scripture and believes what it says, the others favor scholars and websites to back their beliefs. The 3-steppers post with obvious love birth from a heart filled with the Holy Spirit. The others throw subtile disgraces that tear at ones spirit and reak of hate and despise.

The next few lines I wish you to read understanding that I am typing them with the utmost respect for what the forum was once built on.
I am also a member of UPCI forums and Apostolic forums alike. I see some on this forum posting on other forums, yet, if I were to copy and paste some of their post from this forum onto other forums, they would be banned from those. So that tells me alot about that person. I see things on here I don't see on any other forum that stands on Acts 2-38 as the doctrine of salvation. Some where in the give a little, take a little, all has been forsaken. I will continue to peek in and read and post on occasion, but this is not one of the sites I come to on a daily basis and I have yet to recommend it to fellow bro. and sis. Sorry.

Just my opinion, God bless you all in the name of Jesus.

#1 killer of children .. drugs
#1 killer of adults .... cancer
#1 killer of christians . COMPROMISE
This sums up what I have noticed. I have only been active here for a few weeks, though have been associated with it from the very begining and before from the beginning of FCF, I have been more active here than I ever was at any of the incarnations of FCF.

But overall I agree with Scotty's assesment.
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:54 PM
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I joined this forum just a few months ago, I have posted on several threads and have found the typical response from most on here is "my traditional way of believing is wrong". I have looked at several other threads here and see a moving from what true apostolic has always been to something that resembles an over all attitude that says "if you don't want to live like you should then twist the word to live like you want". ( That very statement got me called "an old time all going to hell self righteous traditionalist") I have thought about e-mailing admin or posting my opinion on here but figured it would do more damage than help so I simply don't come here much anymore. Since you have started a thread on the subject I will go ahead and post. ( Then duck , because the firestorm thats coming this thread I'm not sure can be handled by the server)
The Apostolic beliefs of this forum as posted in the "Welcome" thread are no where to be seen within the forum itself. After much searching and reading I have found most all of the Acts:238ers have been "degraded to dwell in the Fellowship, playground and more "softer" threads simply because they are being run out of debate and theological threads. While the "new crowd" says its because they can't stand on their own any more, most I talk to say it is because people are either open to discussion or they are not, if they are not then its all about arguing. That is the other thing I have noticed, you may see a "3 stepper" make a post or two and thats it, while the opposition makes insults. It's not hard to tell the difference in beliefs just looking at the attitude in the post.

Yes stmatthew, your forum has become segregated, The 3 steppers have opted to the occasional post in discusion while the new crowd argues , fights, insults and bickers over beliefs. The 3-steppers post scripture and believes what it says, the others favor scholars and websites to back their beliefs. The 3-steppers post with obvious love birth from a heart filled with the Holy Spirit. The others throw subtile disgraces that tear at ones spirit and reak of hate and despise.

The next few lines I wish you to read understanding that I am typing them with the utmost respect for what the forum was once built on.
I am also a member of UPCI forums and Apostolic forums alike. I see some on this forum posting on other forums, yet, if I were to copy and paste some of their post from this forum onto other forums, they would be banned from those. So that tells me alot about that person. I see things on here I don't see on any other forum that stands on Acts 2-38 as the doctrine of salvation. Some where in the give a little, take a little, all has been forsaken. I will continue to peek in and read and post on occasion, but this is not one of the sites I come to on a daily basis and I have yet to recommend it to fellow bro. and sis. Sorry.

Just my opinion, God bless you all in the name of Jesus.

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#1 killer of adults .... cancer
#1 killer of christians . COMPROMISE
I am with Scotty. Bro, you did a pretty salty job of nailing it.

St Matthew please take the time to read and consider.
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:55 PM
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Isn't it amazing how this attitude permeates the apostolic movement?
Actually poking fun in a condescending manner at the idea of "saved by grace".

Really, it is ignorance.
Sadly that is not what the poster meant but your conditioning has further proved the point.


we dont talk to each other, we talk at each other. It really is bad form.
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Isn't it amazing how this attitude permeates the apostolic movement?
Actually poking fun in a condescending manner at the idea of "saved by grace".

Really, it is ignorance.
Is it?

Was Moses & the Israelites saved when they came to the Red Sea & needed to cross over, or did they have to do something to help secure thier Salvation, like Moses stretching out his hand & the people walking over?

You see it all throughout the Bible that God would do something for his people if they would obey in response to what God had said he would do for them.

Shucks people even when someone receives the Holy Ghost they are Worshiping God (works) in response to his faith in his promise of the gift
of the Holy Ghost.

It isn't a one sided relationship--that's how covenants work something is required of both parties.

Doesn't negate Grace or Faith at all!
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:59 PM
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Sadly that is not what the poster meant but your conditioning has further proved the point.


we dont talk to each other, we talk at each other. It really is bad form.
I agree... a lot of talking at each other
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