Spiritual Co-dendency in the churches?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

How dependent are the members of a body on one another?

We are members of the Body of Christ.

This hyper-independent spirit some espouse is not of God, nor is it supportable Scripturally.

There are no Lone Rangers for Jesus, as much as the idea appeals to the flesh, with its hatred of accountability and submission.

Coonskinner, then allow your church to be run as an Democracy.
I am sure you are as an emperor with the final say and with out fair vote; would never govern your church this way.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by COOPER

With Co-decency there is always an abusive dominant.
I guess the world could become co-dependent for the anti-christ and end wars?
Hitler would have loved for the world be Co-dependent.
Some Churches are becoming more communistic in leadership and membership.

Ok so what is it called when there is not an abusive dominant one? I didn't see that part in your definition

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Coonskinner, then allow your church to be run as an Democracy.
I am sure you are as an emperor with the final say and with out fair vote; would never govern your church this way.

Show me even one Scripture where this concept is supported.

One man led Israel out of Egypt; a committee of 12 men sentenced them to a 40 year long death march.

Democracy?

The Church is a theocracy.

Some of your ideas are beyond silly.

Do you ever read your Bible, Coop?

Where do you get some of this stuff?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Show me even one Scripture where this concept is supported.

One man led Israel out of Egypt; a committee of 12 men sentenced them to a 40 year long death march.

Democracy?

The Church is a theocracy.

Some of your ideas are beyond silly.

Do you ever read your Bible, Coop?

Where do you get some of this stuff?

Yes and it was like going thru hell to be with Moses too.
I bet none of us would have lasted thru that mess.
Some things about Gods ways are hard to understand.
UPC Pastors often think of them selves as Moses and think the saints are the people complaining.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Yes and it was like going thru hell to be with Moses too.
I bet none of us would have lasted thru that mess.
Some things about Gods ways are hard to understand.
UPC Pastors often think of them selves as Moses and think the saints are the people complaining.

Also I see you are quick to compare democracy as a bad thing.

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Are you Co-dependent to your Pastor and Church?

I don't think that Co-dependent people know that they are Co-dependent.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Yes and it was like going thru hell to be with Moses too.
I bet none of us would have lasted thru that mess.
Some things about Gods ways are hard to understand.
UPC Pastors often think of them selves as Moses and think the saints are the people complaining.

You have weighed in with your opinion on Moses; let's look to the Word and see what God's opinion of him was.




Hbr 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;


Hbr 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;


Hbr 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.


Hbr 11:27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

Sounds pretty good.

Let's move on...



Exd 33:9 And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood [at] the door of the tabernacle, and [the LORD] talked with Moses.


Exd 33:10 And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand [at] the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man [in] his tent door.


Exd 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Again, it sounds like the Lord thought highly of him.

Moses was the man God used to get them out of bondage.

Moses was the man who led them out of slavery in Egypt.

Moses prayed the prayer that parted the Red Sea for them.

Moses prayed and the wind brought the quail.

Under his leadership, manna from heaven fell daily.

Moses prayed and interceeded with God when God was going to kill them all for their stubbornness. This man you say was hell to follow loved them enough that he said, "If you are going to blot them out, go ahead and blot me out along with them."

You have said a lot of very foolish things before, Coop, but maybe never anything quite as assinine as this.

This is illustrative of just how far from godly your thinking is.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Also I see you are quick to compare democracy as a bad thing.

It's a decent way to run a secular government, but it isn't the way God established His church, and you know that very well.

[RevDWW]

Heb 13:5 - Heb 13:17 (KJV)

5Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
6So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
7Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
9Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
10We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
11For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
12Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
13Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
14For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
15By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
16But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
17Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Hmmmmm, submission, surely it's not part of the Modern Church, is it?

[J-Roc]

Choose your leaders wisely then submit to their authority, for there are far too many unqualified mickey mouse leaders and far too many that are in it for the prestige and power...so many want to be leaders, but not all are fit to lead.