Terrible News and the Importance of Accountability

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

MissB your post are right on! Enjoying the discussion and a well needed one at that!

RevRan, I feel your hurt.

Originally Posted by Ron

I believe in accountability & am surprised when it was brought up on the old NFCF a large part of the people there.
I was shocked!

We need accountability. I was recently talking with another 2 ministers & we all said to one another that if you saw something, or could tell that there was a bad spirit/attitude,
creeping in, to check one another in love to keep us from going offtrack.

Accountability-I believe in it 110% & am shocked when others don't.

Sorry for the situation you are facing with anoither person RevRandy.

Just a note....I am not facing a Situation...neither am I personally affected by this situation other than being related by Vocation....Don't misunderstand me....that being said...I am sad for some friends of mine who are affected...

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Brother...I am disappointed in this but not hurt by it....don't misunderstand me...In speaking with some friends who were hurt by the situation I was amazed to think of the far reaching consequences of the actions of just one person....

The only way I am personally affected is that it was a Minister/Pastor by vocation....

I do pray for the family and those involved....

and I agree with you completely NEW BLOOD coming in is definately essential in cleansing our hearts...and overcoming...

may the the great one, Jesus himself visit the hurting and calm there hearts is my prayer, i am glad that you are on the outside of this, the first church i pastored years ago was ravaged by an unscrupulous pastor, who had no accountability at all, the damage of his actions is still being felt in that community, god bless you and the hurting is my prayer, dt

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Just a note....I am not facing a Situation...neither am I personally affected by this situation other than being related by Vocation....Don't misunderstand me....that being said...I am sad for some friends of mine who are affected...

That's what I meant too. It's disappointing to see anyone have to go through it.

[MissBrattified]

I recently found out about a pastor friend of ours who is currently going through the court system for molesting a child. (That discussion was brought up here, and then I believe the threads were deleted.)

It is very painful to see someone close to you fall down so low. Yet, even in this case, the minister in question may have been trying to get help a few years back when he was "found out" with some porn on his computer...from what I understand, there was some form of admission, but then when it was spread around, he quickly backtracked and denied it altogether. Sort of went into hiding...and then when it surfaced again...well, it was much worse than just looking at porn.

So again, it disturbs me that there isn't a better safety net and more closed mouths available to help a man (or woman) when things aren't so bad that they are a total loss!

I have to say, too, that when I first heard about this particular minister and what he had done, I was very angry. How could he do that? What is wrong with him? But in the end, all I can feel is very sad about it. For the minister, for the victim, for both families, for the church, for his children. The fallout is terrible and grievous.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I recently found out about a pastor friend of ours who is currently going through the court system for molesting a child. (That discussion was brought up here, and then I believe the threads were deleted.)

It is very painful to see someone close to you fall down so low. Yet, even in this case, the minister in question may have been trying to get help a few years back when he was "found out" with some porn on his computer...from what I understand, there was some form of admission, but then when it was spread around, he quickly backtracked and denied it altogether. Sort of went into hiding...and then when it surfaced again...well, it was much worse than just looking at porn.

So again, it disturbs me that there isn't a better safety net and more closed mouths available to help a man (or woman) when things aren't so bad that they are a total loss!

I have to say, too, that when I first heard about this particular minister and what he had done, I was very angry. How could he do that? What is wrong with him? But in the end, all I can feel is very sad about it. For the minister, for the victim, for both families, for the church, for his children. The fallout is terrible and grievous.

what a shame for him and all involved, you are so right sis, there is help but it has to be sought, and accountability is absolutely essential, dt

[Falla39]

Has anyone ever thought on this passage of scripture found in Romans 3:19?

Rom.3:19.

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are

under the law;that every mouth may be stopped, and ALL the world may become

guilty before God.

Rom.3:23.

For ALL have sinned,(erred. trespassed) and come short (lacked) of the glory

of God.


Rom.11:20 (in part)

Be not highminded, but fear.


I Cor.10:12.
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed let he fall.

The next verse, 13, gives hope to those who have fallen.

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is commom to man:

but God is faithful, who will NOT suffer (allow, permit) you to be tempted

(tested, tried) above that you are able; but will with the temptation (test,

trial) also make a way to escape,(end,exit) that you may be able to bear

(endure, bear up under) it.


Don't give up and don't give in. In God there in hope for a successful end.

But if we sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous.

I John 2:2-2.

Blessings,

Falla39

[Apprehended]

This may smack of the sound of Papalism, but in light of the need for confession, counseling and personal strengtening, also in the light of the fact that counselors can be held accountable to the justice system for not revealing facts uncovered in such sessions; also in light of the fact that some counselors are less than trustworthiness; I wonder, just wonder...maybe the anonomity of the old RCC Confessional is the answer???

After all, confession and counseling can be made without having to reveal WHO was in the Confessional booth. Also, the Counselor cannot gossip about certain (unkown for sure) person.

I'm not so sure that this would be the answer to some of the problems presented by the demands of the justice system to deliver up a confessor. It would also have the affect of granting comfort to the Confessor granted by the (apparent) anonimity.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

This may smack of the sound of Papalism, but in light of the need for confession, counseling and personal strengtening, also in the light of the fact that counselors can be held accountable to the justice system for not revealing facts uncovered in such sessions; also in light of the fact that some counselors are less than trustworthiness; I wonder, just wonder...maybe the anonomity of the old RCC Confessional is the answer???

After all, confession and counseling can be made without having to reveal WHO was in the Confessional booth. Also, the Counselor cannot gossip about certain (unkown for sure) person.

I'm not so sure that this would be the answer to some of the problems presented by the demands of the justice system to deliver up a confessor. It would also have the affect of granting comfort to the Confessor granted by the (apparent) anonimity.

that is an interesting theory my friend, over the many years of my life i have heard many things that i wish i could forget, no joke, dt

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

This may smack of the sound of Papalism, but in light of the need for confession, counseling and personal strengtening, also in the light of the fact that counselors can be held accountable to the justice system for not revealing facts uncovered in such sessions; also in light of the fact that some counselors are less than trustworthiness; I wonder, just wonder...maybe the anonomity of the old RCC Confessional is the answer???

After all, confession and counseling can be made without having to reveal WHO was in the Confessional booth. Also, the Counselor cannot gossip about certain (unkown for sure) person.

I'm not so sure that this would be the answer to some of the problems presented by the demands of the justice system to deliver up a confessor. It would also have the affect of granting comfort to the Confessor granted by the (apparent) anonimity.

Does true love reveal a matter?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Does true love reveal a matter?

Are those who reveal matters lacking true love?