Sickness because of sin.

[Cindy]

Death comes because of sin, as does disease. Without disease there would not be death. I am speaking of the physical. Our corruptible bodies are not made to live for eternity. Therefore there will be disease and death. Not our own sins neccessarily, but the sin of mankind. Saints and sinners will get sick and die.

[gloryseeker]

Where did the theology come from that you have to die because of sickness....remember Moses? Why not complete our course and leave this body behind. I for one have not intentions of going because of sickness or disease because I have a Savior who took care of that for me. My father is almost 71 is on no medication, doesn't walk with a limp or a cane, or have any other problems. You can be strong and healthy until your time here is complete.

[Joelel]

I see a differance in sickness and disease all though they can be the same.A person can be sick with having a disease or get sick from old age.Our bodies do get old and wear out and we may die sick if God will.We would have many more people healed if we knew how to deal with sickness.We have power to cast out devils and disease are devils.We need to cast disease spirits our as we cast out other devils.Other sickness may not be diseases and the person needs a miracle,if a person needs a miracle then it would help to have someone pray who has the gift of working of miracles.We are the body of Christ,God gives gifts to man. Amen

Matt.4
[23] And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matt.10
[1] And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

[Joelel]

Many times people don't get healed because of other reasons.

Math.17:14: And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,
15: Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.
16: And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17: Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18: And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
19: Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
20: And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
21: Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting

Math.9:23: And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise,
24: He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
25: But when the people were put forth, he went in, and took her by the hand, and the maid arose.
26: And the fame hereof went abroad into all that land.
27: And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us.
28: And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
29: Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

Where did the theology come from that you have to die because of sickness....remember Moses? Why not complete our course and leave this body behind. I for one have not intentions of going because of sickness or disease because I have a Savior who took care of that for me. My father is almost 71 is on no medication, doesn't walk with a limp or a cane, or have any other problems. You can be strong and healthy until your time here is complete.

Some part of your Dad's body is going to wear out. And since he is human his body will break down eventually. He may not be sick or need medication but he is aging. The same with all of us, we can not put off death. Some sickness yes but not all.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Many times people don't get healed because of other reasons.

Math.17:14: And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,
15: Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.
16: And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17: Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18: And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
19: Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
20: And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
21: Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting

Math.9:23: And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise,
24: He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
25: But when the people were put forth, he went in, and took her by the hand, and the maid arose.
26: And the fame hereof went abroad into all that land.
27: And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us.
28: And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
29: Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

Joelel, what did Jesus tell his disciples when they asked if a man was blind because of his parent's sin?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Joelel, what did Jesus tell his disciples when they asked if a man was blind because of his parent's sin?

In this man's case it was not because of sin but it was for the glory to God.In other cases it is because of sin though.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

Where did the theology come from that you have to die because of sickness....remember Moses? Why not complete our course and leave this body behind. I for one have not intentions of going because of sickness or disease because I have a Savior who took care of that for me. My father is almost 71 is on no medication, doesn't walk with a limp or a cane, or have any other problems. You can be strong and healthy until your time here is complete.

Nobody dies from old age. Something happens to cause death. If it didn't, we'd live forever.

[gloryseeker]

That is actually very untrue. Read about Smith Wigglesworth. There have been many who called their families together told them of their pending departure, set their affairs in order and then left. We receive what we believe. Most people believe as you have stated and they receive it. Read Heb 11:5-6 - Enoch had the testimony that he pleased God and was taken, and it is impossible to please God without faith. Therefore, Enoch must have had his faith set according to his testimony. We receive what we are willing to believe God for. Don't limit what God can do and has done for us.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

That is actually very untrue. Read about Smith Wigglesworth. There have been many who called their families together told them of their pending departure, set their affairs in order and then left. We receive what we believe. Most people believe as you have stated and they receive it. Read Heb 11:5-6 - Enoch had the testimony that he pleased God and was taken, and it is impossible to please God without faith. Therefore, Enoch must have had his faith set according to his testimony. We receive what we are willing to believe God for. Don't limit what God can do and has done for us.

There are lots of people who seem to know when they are dying, but that doesn't mean they just die. Something happens to cause their death. There is no such thing as 'just dying'. Something happens. Autopsies would prove that.

Those such as you speak about above weren't in perfect health when they gathered their families together and said goodbye.