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Old 03-14-2007, 01:49 PM
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Coop, you are hunting a fly with a shotgun...you may hit it, but what difference will it make either way? You are setting yourself up for reproach.

Read my post above...it may help.
No, I am hunting a Rhino with a b.b. gun.
I keep hitting him, but his skin is too tuff.
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Old 03-14-2007, 01:52 PM
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So then, Coonskinner, how do you handle the situation when you marry someone who's been raised with this "ministry of Ham"?
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Old 03-14-2007, 02:01 PM
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Raising issues that need to be dealt with is not wrong, in fact open rebuke is often a good thing.

In fact, open rebuke of wrongdoing IS a good thing ("them that sin rebuke before all..." etc)

However, the problem comes when people seek to use their words to destroy the innocent and the righteous.

Evil must be exposed and dealt with.

But the Enemy has a plan he's been using for a long time, in which every small, minor failure is pointe dout and blown up out of all proportion and harped on incessantly specifically in order to create an atmosphere of distrust and suspicion and censoriousness - and he does that in order to neutralise people and get them all spinning in circles chasing rabbit trails that lead nowhere, eventually.

If someone is doing wrong, and using the ministry as a cover for their wickedness, they need to be exposed. Neither Jesus, the apostles, nor the prophets ever had a problem doing that.

But it is one thing to expose the ENEMY WITHIN THE GATES, it is quite another thing to murder one's own brethren in the name of "protecting the people"....
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Old 03-14-2007, 02:33 PM
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So then, Coonskinner, how do you handle the situation when you marry someone who's been raised with this "ministry of Ham"?
Prayer, patience, gentle correction, and a consistent example, all in the context of unconditional love.
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Old 03-14-2007, 02:37 PM
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good words PossumKiller.

Im glad to know ya.
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Old 03-14-2007, 02:37 PM
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The problem with criticism is it's easy to start and most folks don't know when to quit... imo....
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Old 03-14-2007, 02:43 PM
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Raising issues that need to be dealt with is not wrong, in fact open rebuke is often a good thing.

In fact, open rebuke of wrongdoing IS a good thing ("them that sin rebuke before all..." etc)

However, the problem comes when people seek to use their words to destroy the innocent and the righteous.

Evil must be exposed and dealt with.

But the Enemy has a plan he's been using for a long time, in which every small, minor failure is pointe dout and blown up out of all proportion and harped on incessantly specifically in order to create an atmosphere of distrust and suspicion and censoriousness - and he does that in order to neutralise people and get them all spinning in circles chasing rabbit trails that lead nowhere, eventually.

If someone is doing wrong, and using the ministry as a cover for their wickedness, they need to be exposed. Neither Jesus, the apostles, nor the prophets ever had a problem doing that.

But it is one thing to expose the ENEMY WITHIN THE GATES, it is quite another thing to murder one's own brethren in the name of "protecting the people"....
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:03 PM
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Well then in this case, UPC is Ham.
We all have the opportunity to either be a Ham or a Shem/Japheth.

We all have decisions we are forced to make.
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:12 PM
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We all have the opportunity to either be a Ham or a Shem/Japheth.

We all have decisions we are forced to make.
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Old 03-14-2007, 04:21 PM
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Hams attitude was to humiliate Noah. "Ha-ha pants are down"
That was Ham's problem.

Those that have left a hurtful, stressful, abusive.. etc. situation ; do not find it very funny at all.

Noah was not a bad guy, Nor did he do anything to Hurt Ham.

UPC, Preachers, Pastors, Brethren hurt each other every day.

This "bad attitude" you detest, is the body of Christ saying, "OUCH!"

And you may ask how did we hurt you.

We then tell you, every flaw because you asked.

But you seem to not care and say move on, do not be bitter, forgive.

But UPC and others are not an Innocent Noah caught with his Pants down.

It's at hurtful people holding on to a Blanket that covers their shameful
ways,

and they do not want any one jerking the covers off, while they hide in their tent.

You Coon may very well be Innocent Noah.

But your family is not.

But yet you fight to keep the covers on too and not correct the shame.

Cooper,

You have testified to what a fine, upstanding man your old pastor was.

He even repented for preaching standards and being "hard."

So you really haven't suffered all that much according to your own testimony.
You are crying and moaning for attention, and to make excuses for your own lack of commitment to anything spiritual. You don't fool anybody.

I can always tell how accurate a post has been by how loud you squawk.

And this time, you squalled like a mashed cat.

Nobody is fooled, Coop.

You're not the walking wounded; you are the seated scornful.
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