It's cuz the UC's got that scripture God wrote for them (they think)
"Touch not mine annointed...do my prophets no harm."
My former pastor could not comprehend that HE was the one in violtion of this scripture in his mistreatment of God's people.
That is so ingrained into the congregations heads that they don't dare question the standards. To do so would be touching the annointed and doing harm. So, the best thing to do (in their minds) is to defend it to the bitter end.
In all due respect given to the Pastor - my question would be "what kind of saint was this", maybe he was a hopper as Pentecostals at times are welll noted for, hopping from church to church and also who would know if this is taken out of context.
If the Pastor made those statements bluntly as he was situations with himself and also UPC then he is in dangerous territory and would be afraid for myself should I sit under that type of leadership.
Even if the person in question was a church-hopper, why would anyone prefer that they no go to church at all?
This confuses me. And not just from one UPC pastor to another, but those who are apostolic, who would prefer that someone not go to church at all, then to go to a non-apostolic church.
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Even if the person in question was a church-hopper, why would anyone prefer that they no go to church at all?
This confuses me. And not just from one UPC pastor to another, but those who are apostolic, who would prefer that someone not go to church at all, then to go to a non-apostolic church.
It is craziness!
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Even if the person in question was a church-hopper, why would anyone prefer that they no go to church at all?
This confuses me. And not just from one UPC pastor to another, but those who are apostolic, who would prefer that someone not go to church at all, then to go to a non-apostolic church.
Good point!
I have heard stories like this before, it's really sad.
I have heard people tell me (and not just one) say that they were told, while attending a certain local assembly, if they went to any other church they would be lost, because other churches don't teach "it" like they do...so they would be better off going no where.
A very Ultra Conservative UPC Pastor told one of his saints that if he were to go to another UPC down the street that is not as strict as theirs....he might as well not go to church at all.
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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW
What I find funny, is we have no idea who this pastor is, if he really said such a thing, what the context was and what he truly meant.
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Well I can't bear any light on the original post, but i can swear that the very thing was said by my pastor.
Our "holiness" was impecable...no one else was rightous as we were.
It was declared from the pulpit that if you want to go to hell just leave this church and go to Br. ******* church.
Both churches were UPC BTW.
This type of behavior should not once be named among us.
Sadly that is not the case.
Competitive holiness is rampant among oneness pentecostals.
It's a stench in God's nostrils.
I believe you, no need to swear it.
Nevertheless, at present (until Book 'em returns) we have no idea if this happened yesterday or 10 years ago. We have no idea what the context of the conversation was and what the heart of the pastor who said it is truly like.
All else is surmise.
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What I find funny, is we have no idea who this pastor is, if he really said such a thing, what the context was and what he truly meant.
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Exactly. Just something to generate some heat.
I doubt the Admins would appreciate name dropping so you won't be told who the Pastor was. However the facts are from the person who was wanting to visit another UPC. He is also not a church hopper. This is his home church. His pastor was told he was going to visit another UPC. His pastor asked for a meeting and during this meeting was told he might as well not go to any church at all.
The other church? It's progressive. Has more modern music. The Pastor did not vote against res 4 and allows wedding bands. Even under a former, more stricter pastor this other pastor thought the same way because that pastor voted for the video resolution and also allowed wedding bands.
A person who does not have the same convictions as UC and the UC pastor is constantly beating hime or her (most likely her). This person must go to another church. If he or she stays a root of bitterness is bound to spring up. I cannot believe that some OPs actually think trinitarians are close to devil worship. COME ON, the Lord has not revealed to them yet the understanding of the Might God in Christ. We are no better the Lord has just given us greater grace in that area.
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Nevertheless, at present (until Book 'em returns) we have no idea if this happened yesterday or 10 years ago. We have no idea what the context of the conversation was and what the heart of the pastor who said it is truly like.
All else is surmise.
Ok...let's say it was 10 years ago....does that make the statement any less wrong?
What context would the statement be OK to say?
The heart of the pastor? Any pastor who would make such claims....I think I know the heart of that pastor.
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Nevertheless, at present (until Book 'em returns) we have no idea if this happened yesterday or 10 years ago. We have no idea what the context of the conversation was and what the heart of the pastor who said it is truly like.
All else is surmise.
Does it really matter? We don't have to know WHO said it. We don't have to prove this. In fact, if it IS proven, then we have a HUGE mess on our hands trying to protect names.
This is a forum...we discuss all kinds of things. There are enough here who can corroborate and say yeah, they've heard something similar too.
This is what's on the table for discussion, I say let it ride as is.
Nevertheless, at present (until Book 'em returns) we have no idea if this happened yesterday or 10 years ago. We have no idea what the context of the conversation was and what the heart of the pastor who said it is truly like.
All else is surmise.
Yesterday in fact. But the attitude has been going on for years. What is sad is this person had not been going to church for a while now anyways. So essentially it's better to backslide away from Jesus than to go to any church that is less conservative than his....
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