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Old 03-11-2008, 09:27 AM
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Re: Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?

Look at what he said again.


"I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,

For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel"
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:31 AM
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Apparently he did.

The house of Stephanas and two others.

That's slim pickin's considering the thousands he preached to.

Would Paul be accepted in Apostolic ranks today?

What's up with this?
This is an inaccurate conclusion. He said that he had only baptized "Crispus and Gaius; ...And...the household of Stephanas:", but in verse 14 he said "none of YOU", meaning of the Corinthian church. Obviously he baptized more than that, or else Acts 19 is an inaccurate account. He was in Ephesus when he baptized these disciples, and Apollos was in Corinth. (Acts 19:1)
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But if Dan is correct, and Paul only preached the gospel of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection.......that would mean Paul was saying God had not called him to tell the lost about repentance, baptism and the Holy Ghost.

How can we separate the Gospel and the response?

Why would Paul only retell the story without mentioning how to respond?

Was Paul a "saved at faith" teacher?
We find various times Paul and Peter in Acts preaching and not once mention water baptism during the initial presentation of the Gospel.

Ex: at the temple ... to the governors, etc.

The taught we are saved by through faith ... the emphasis was alway placing our faith on the work of the Lamb and turning to Him (repentance_ for the remission of our sins.
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This is an inaccurate conclusion. He said that he had only baptized "Crispus and Gaius; ...And...the household of Stephanas:", but in verse 14 he said "none of YOU", meaning of the Corinthian church. Obviously he baptized more than that, or else Acts 19 is an inaccurate account. He was in Ephesus when he baptized these disciples, and Apollos was in Corinth. (Acts 19:1)
??? Are we assuming Apollos never went to Ephesus ... and surely Paul had been to both cities.
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:34 AM
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I agree. I think this is a logical explanation of the passage. He sounds like he's being facetious, trying to make a point, and I certainly can't draw the conclusion that the point he was making is that baptism is unimportant, considering the context of other scriptures.

Paul did teach on baptism:

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Acts 19:3-6 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Very good response.

Question though.

We always say that the Pauline Epistles were written to believers. Holy Ghost-filled believers. So can we use any of the references you just mentioned seeing as how they were obviously written to the Church?

Where are the examples of Paul teaching repentance, baptism and HG infilling to the lost?
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??? Are we assuming Apollos never went to Corinth ... and surely Paul had been to both cities.
Huh? I just said Apollos was in Corinth, and obviously Paul had been there previously. Acts 18:1
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Very good response.

Question though.

We always say that the Pauline Epistles were written to believers. Holy Ghost-filled believers. So can we use any of the references you just mentioned seeing as how they were obviously written to the Church?

Where are the examples of Paul teaching repentance, baptism and HG infilling to the lost?
There a preaching by Peter also recorded in Acts where it seems Peter forgot the Acts 2:38 message.
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Huh? I just said Apollos was in Corinth, and obviously Paul had been there previously. Acts 18:1
Vice-versa ... indeed ... Do we know Apollos never went to Ephesus?
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This is an inaccurate conclusion. He said that he had only baptized "Crispus and Gaius; ...And...the household of Stephanas:", but in verse 14 he said "none of YOU", meaning of the Corinthian church. Obviously he baptized more than that, or else Acts 19 is an inaccurate account. He was in Ephesus when he baptized these disciples, and Apollos was in Corinth. (Acts 19:1)
But Miss B, Paul deemphasized the importance of his role in baptism. He stated that Christ did not call him to baptize, but to preach the Gospel.

The best we can assume is that he had handlers who performed that Christian rite. And that is an assumption, right?
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Very good response.

Question though.

We always say that the Pauline Epistles were written to believers. Holy Ghost-filled believers. So can we use any of the references you just mentioned seeing as how they were obviously written to the Church?

Where are the examples of Paul teaching repentance, baptism and HG infilling to the lost?
I don't know about Paul...I know Peter preached quite a powerful message in Acts 2, but I suppose that is overused, and therefore inconsequential to this conversation.
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