2nd.beast of Rev.here in 2008

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

I certainly believe in dreams and visions and I won't mock or criticize someone who professes to have one. People mock what they don't understand whether it be something from God or man.

Americans are so cynical and it leaves no doubt why there isn't the moves of God in our country like there is overseas. We will except the word of men that are ungodly (O'Reilly/Limbaugh) over the word from men of God.

It really is sad to see what is occurring these days.

It don't bother me,I been going though the same things for 30+ yrs.All it does is make me stronger. Tribulation makes us strong,something satan don't understand as he understands nothing. I will give other dreams and visions as given to me.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Joelel

It don't bother me,I been going though the same things for 30+ yrs.All it does is make me stronger. Tribulation makes us strong,something satan don't understand as he understands nothing. I will give other dreams and visions as given to me.

And we will wait with bated breath.....

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

And we will wait with bated breath.....

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Joelel

It don't bother me,I been going though the same things for 30+ yrs.All it does is make me stronger. Tribulation makes us strong,something satan don't understand as he understands nothing. I will give other dreams and visions as given to me.

One thing I find rather interesting if not disturbing is how a person can teach from thier dreams, yet ridicule those that get their entire teachings straight from the Bible as Jesus and His Apostles taught, such as the Partial Preterist. (I know you claim it to be heresy, But Jesus and the Bible does not)
There may be one thing more disturbing than the Dreamer passing of their dreams, as if God gave it to them, but those that would defend and no doubt follow the "dreamers"
Enough said. It is a veeery slippery slope.
I believe William Branham and Joseph Smith amoung others, started rather large followings by very creative leaders.
Let me warn anyone that would defend this type of special revelation.
Run from it!
I do beleive in freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but I also have the same freedom to warn.
There is plenty of room for differant views on some things, the "end time" being one of them, but the direction some would go, via Private dreams gives cause for concern.

[Brother Price]

A prophet is judged by what is said. If this prophecy does not come true, this would make Joelel a false prophet, plain and simple. And, if history is any evident, we will see if these dreams come true or not.


My thought is that they will not, and this is yet another case of entime hype and fear, and false spirits speaking to a willing believer's ear.

[RandyWayne]

The problem with "prophets" in this age is that, like a broken clock which is still right twice a day, they will occasionally say something that sounds plausible -once in a while.
(Incidentally, this is also why have major issues with all those who claim to speak words of knowledge.)
I could speak of coming death and destruction and there is a chance I could be right.... to one or more people listening. I could also say that "Someone's 'Uncle John' will die during the early morning hours..." and odds are that SOMEONE has an "Uncle John" who WILL die in the AM hours over the next 365 days. To them, I spoke with authority and truth. To everyone else, I would soon be forgotten -that is until I make another random prophecy which, quite by accident, somehow pertains to them. People only remember the guesses which turn out to be right. <----How fortune tellers and psychics work.

[onlygrace]

Originally Posted by Joelel

You will see satan with all his false prophets rise up this year with all their miracles.

Rev16:12: And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13: And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14: For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15: Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16: And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon



Rev.13:11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12: And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15: And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

And this too will not come to pass.

[onlygrace]

Originally Posted by Jason

i have a thought on fire coming from heaven. I believe there will be arebuilt jewish temple, and at the dedication, fire will consume the animal sacrifice as in the Old Testament, but somehow the false prophet (pope at the time) will make it appear as if he caused the fire to come down. my opinion.

And this too will not come to pass.

[onlygrace]

Originally Posted by Joelel

An other dream last night.Devils coming out of Obama's mouth getting on people around the world.

This is devils killing people with sickness because they will not worship the beast. Rev.13:15: And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

This is really getting ridiculous. I am supposed to believe you because you had a dream? Please.

[onlygrace]

Originally Posted by Joelel

You know what is real sad ? People talk in tongues and know nothing about dreams and visions and prophecy.Acts 2:15: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy

Yes, good Scripture but maybe you should concentrate on verse 16 & 17.