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03-22-2007, 07:50 AM
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Im waiting for that New Testament scripture where one man was the Pastor of a local assembly. Come on guys it should be easy since Eldership is so wrong!
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03-22-2007, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
And when they had ordained them elders in every church ,and had prayed with fasting,they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.ACTS 14:23
Can a Plurality Of Elders function as leadership in a local church or it something that can't function in the church today?
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No....
everything the apostles did was not as good an idea as the one we are using today. Of course they turned their world upside down but that was a complete fluke and if they had done it the way we are doing it now then they would have fared much better.
(TIC Of course... but this appears to be the take of some folks)
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03-22-2007, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Im waiting for that New Testament scripture where one man was the Pastor of a local assembly. Come on guys it should be easy since Eldership is so wrong!
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You will have to wait for the BRAND New Testament.
It is being written as we speak... 
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03-22-2007, 08:30 AM
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The "model" for the early church was the Jewish synagogue. Remember, for the first 30yrs or so, the early Christians still attended the synagogue and were primarily "messianic Jews." The synagogue was lead by a Rabbi and not a committee of elders. Plurality of leaders, yes, but the Rabbi was their leader, at least from what I have read.
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03-22-2007, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
The "model" for the early church was the Jewish synagogue. Remember, for the first 30yrs or so, the early Christians still attended the synagogue and were primarily "messianic Jews." The synagogue was lead by a Rabbi and not a committee of elders. Plurality of leaders, yes, but the Rabbi was their leader, at least from what I have read.
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The majority of what I have seen of the visits to the Synagogue were evangelistic in nature.
They were asked to not return and preach Jesus but they went right back and did the same thing again.
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03-22-2007, 10:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfWord
The "model" for the early church was the Jewish synagogue. Remember, for the first 30yrs or so, the early Christians still attended the synagogue and were primarily "messianic Jews." The synagogue was lead by a Rabbi and not a committee of elders. Plurality of leaders, yes, but the Rabbi was their leader, at least from what I have read.
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Actually early on the Messianics were driven from the Synagogue and ELDERS were ordained in every Church.
21: And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,
22: Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
23: And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed. Acts 14:21-23
Had they stayed in the Synagogue their faith in Yeshua would have been torn to shreds as is happening even now with Messianics who are trying it.
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03-22-2007, 10:08 AM
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Funny that we find not one scripture where A PASTOR was ordained for every Church.
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03-22-2007, 10:09 AM
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Somebody has to lead. It's always been that way, always will be. I agree with MOW's posts.
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03-22-2007, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Felicity
Somebody has to lead. It's always been that way, always will be. I agree with MOW's posts.
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I don't see what you are saying borne out in the NT scripture that tells us how the church operated.
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03-22-2007, 10:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
And when they had ordained them elders in every church ,and had prayed with fasting,they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.ACTS 14:23
Can a Plurality Of Elders function as leadership in a local church or it something that can't function in the church today?
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I think this plurality is the only correct model for the Church, with the bishop (pastor) as the overseeing elder.
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