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03-23-2007, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
Most scholars agree we got it translated wrong as Jesus..in our english language it should have been translated, Yeshua (sp)
Again , just my thoughts here.. I baptize saying, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, and God 's word say's you SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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You believe the name is wrong, yet you use it?
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03-23-2007, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by warrior81680
A couple of thoughts come to mind. First, Jesus did command this to be done. No question concerning that.
Two, His Word is truth ( John 17:17).
Three, He prayed for the disciples and those who would believe on Him through their word in John 17:18-20.
Four, Peter preached the need for baptism in Jesus name on the Day of Pentecost, with all the other eleven agreeing with him.
Five, the only way the disciples baptized in the Book of Acts, which was the beginning of the Church, was in the name of the Lord, the Lord Jesus, or Jesus. Never was there a mention of the titles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is because baptism in Jesus name is the fulfillment of Matthew 28:19.
Now, if the disciples were the "preachers of the message", did they preach and practice the right or wrong message?
If it was the wrong one, then we are all in trouble, because we are supposed to believe on Christ through their word.
In light of these facts, I firmly believe the disciples preached and practiced the right message.
Is that any help?
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Were the disciples right or wrong?
BTW, freeatlast, it appears you might not be sure, so you don't want to take a chance...
This is written with all respect.
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03-23-2007, 10:20 AM
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The accounts of baptism use varing wording, name of the Lord, name of the Lord Jesus, name of Jesus Christ.
Then Matthew writes about baptism. He writes this after seeing people being baptized for over twenty years in the histroy of the Christian Church., he writes in the name of the F. S. & H.G.
I sometimes think we are way more excited about what is said than God is.
Do you think when God hears and see's someone being baptized and hears name of Father Son and Holy ghost, that he is bewilderd and does not know who it is that is being referd to.
Ya all go ahead and shoot me now. I have been baptized in the name. I have baptized and will continue to baptize in the name.
I feel it is the most correct thing to "say" but I will not throw out someones sincere and real experience with God over a techncallity.
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03-23-2007, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
The accounts of baptism use varing wording, name of the Lord, name of the Lord Jesus, name of Jesus Christ.
Then Matthew writes about baptism. He writes this after seeing people being baptized for over twenty years in the histroy of the Christian Church., he writes in the name of the F. S. & H.G.
I sometimes think we are way more excited about what is said than God is.
Do you think when God hears and see's someone being baptized and hears name of Father Son and Holy ghost, that he is bewilderd and does not know who it is that is being referd to.
Ya all go ahead and shoot me now. I have been baptized in the name. I have baptized and will continue to baptize in the name.
I feel it is the most correct thing to "say" but I will not throw out someones sincere and real experience with God over a techncallity.
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03-23-2007, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
The accounts of baptism use varing wording, name of the Lord, name of the Lord Jesus, name of Jesus Christ.
Then Matthew writes about baptism. He writes this after seeing people being baptized for over twenty years in the histroy of the Christian Church., he writes in the name of the F. S. & H.G.
I sometimes think we are way more excited about what is said than God is.
Do you think when God hears and see's someone being baptized and hears name of Father Son and Holy ghost, that he is bewilderd and does not know who it is that is being referd to.
Ya all go ahead and shoot me now. I have been baptized in the name. I have baptized and will continue to baptize in the name.
I feel it is the most correct thing to "say" but I will not throw out someones sincere and real experience with God over a techncallity.
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So, Matthew saw baptism in Jesus name for over 20 years, yet when it came time for him to write about it he spelled it out - - maybe that was for a reason......proving that "the name" is all three.
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03-23-2007, 10:45 AM
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So, Matthew saw baptism in Jesus name for over 20 years, yet when it came time for him to write about it he spelled it out - - maybe that was for a reason......proving that "the name" is all three.
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THREE....don't say three around here...you'll give somebody a coranary.
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03-23-2007, 10:47 AM
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THREE....don't say three around here...you'll give somebody a coranary. 
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Just stirring the brains today......
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03-23-2007, 10:50 AM
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Just stirring the brains today......
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Brains, pot. It's all the same thing, eh?
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- And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. [Zechariah 14:9]
- Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
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03-23-2007, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
The accounts of baptism use varing wording, name of the Lord, name of the Lord Jesus, name of Jesus Christ.
Then Matthew writes about baptism. He writes this after seeing people being baptized for over twenty years in the histroy of the Christian Church., he writes in the name of the F. S. & H.G.
I sometimes think we are way more excited about what is said than God is.
Do you think when God hears and see's someone being baptized and hears name of Father Son and Holy ghost, that he is bewilderd and does not know who it is that is being referd to.
Ya all go ahead and shoot me now. I have been baptized in the name. I have baptized and will continue to baptize in the name.
I feel it is the most correct thing to "say" but I will not throw out someones sincere and real experience with God over a techncallity.
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Freeatlast, I ain't going to shoot you, nor knock your belief.
I will say this though, what you call a technicality what if Jesus calls it nessecary?
Would you want to take that risk?
Sometimes I fear that we treat God in our own human viewpoint. I have sinners tell me in the world, "God won't judge us, he is full of Grace and mercy."
That may be our downfall if we treat a "command" as a "technicality" and end up missing the boat.
I would rather be sure.
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03-23-2007, 10:22 AM
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Since most of us understand the NAME is Jesus, why can't someone say it exactly as it is written in Matthew? The Name is Jesus, so why aren't they still being baptized in Jesus Name by saying "in the Name of the..."
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