Is telling someone they are saved at repentance heresy?
well, I guess that depends on how that is attached.... It is within what one could call the Pale of Ortodoxy among Apostolics to say that one is saved at repentance and that all saved people should be baptized as a witness to the work of Christ, in His name and they should recieve the Holy Ghost.
I believe that is Dan's posistion. I dont agree with it, I cannot seperate Peters injunction like that. But this teaching has been part of the Apostolic movement from its inception. (Did I spell inception right?)
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During service tonight a thought came to me to share with you DA, and then the pastor used the same scripture not less than 15 minutes later in his sermon.
I believe it is 1 Sam 6:6 where it talks about Uzzah (sp) touching the ark to steady it and the Lord struck him dead.
David wanted the Ark brought back to Jerusalem but although his intentions were good, he was going about it the wrong way. God had specified how the Ark was to be carried, and it was on the shoulders of the Levite's Priest. No other tribe was allowed to carry it, only the Levites. They were not allowed to put it on a cart to be carried by an animal. Only one way allowed; on the shoulders of the Levite priest.
I realize DA there are issues you have with LS and IB that you strongly disagree with. I only want to caution you to make sure you go about it God's way.
Sis. Esther,
You are indeed a woman of God. This is done in the spirit of love and good judgement.
For those who disagree: Esther is not making a connection with LS as being on the level with God. What she is saying is that there are right ways to go about confronting a brother or sister about something you disagree with.
This is a caution to make sure one is careful to do things God's way. It is my understanding that going to the person one on one would be the first step.
I love Esther and DA, both are my friends and there is nothing inappropriate here.
You are indeed a woman of God. This is done in the spirit of love and good judgement.
For those who disagree: Esther is not making a connection with LS as being on the level with God. What she is saying is that there are right ways to go about confronting a brother or sister about something you disagree with.
This is a caution to make sure one is careful to do things God's way. It is my understanding that going to the person one on one would be the first step.
I love Esther and DA, both are my friends and there is nothing inappropriate here.
Blessings, Rhoni
Well said, Rhoni. I appreciate Esther's post.
There is a right way and a wrong way to do things.
And I think too many times on AFF, it's done the wrong way, and with the wrong spirit.
All men are fallible, and if a preacher has missed the mark doctrinally, it is not necessarily wrong for someone to point that out. But some of the stuff I've seen on AFF borders on being personal crusades and/or vendettas. I think people who go on crusades against God's ministers need to check their spirit.
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I felt it too strong to ignore. I hope and pray it is taken with the right spirit. It is not to judge nor condemn anyone.
But God does have laws that He doesn't allow exceptions too.
It was to me as much as to anyone else.
We must be careful how we touch the things of God.
Sometimes it is a fine line. We know something isn't right, but what is the proper way to handle?
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Well said, Rhoni. I appreciate Esther's post.
There is a right way and a wrong way to do things.
And I think too many times on AFF, it's done the wrong way, and with the wrong spirit.
All men are fallible, and if a preacher has missed the mark doctrinally, it is not necessarily wrong for someone to point that out. But some of the stuff I've seen on AFF borders on being personal crusades and/or vendettas. I think people who go on crusades against God's ministers need to check their spirit.
has anyone noticed something?? Sis Freeman has
promoted magic hair yet she hasn't come under attack
like LS. For some reason folks wont touch her but they
wll go out of their way to hate LS. now, understand, i don't
want Sis Freeman to come under attack like LS has and
I doubt she has preached an entire sermon on MH BUT she has
promoted it in her sermons nonetheless. Therefore, I've come
to the conclusion that there are people out to fault find anything
they can on LS
has anyone noticed something?? Sis Freeman has
promoted magic hair yet she hasn't come under attack
like LS. For some reason folks wont touch her but they
wll go out of their way to hate LS. now, understand, i don't
want Sis Freeman to come under attack like LS has and
I doubt she has preached an entire sermon on MH BUT she has
promoted it in her sermons nonetheless. Therefore, I've come
to the conclusion that there are people out to fault find anything
they can on LS
If I personally heard Nona Freeman make some of the ludicrous statements LS made in his sermon, I'd call her to task on it, as well. Just as I would hope someone would call ME to task if I ventured off into that same ditch.
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has anyone noticed something?? Sis Freeman has
promoted magic hair yet she hasn't come under attack
like LS. For some reason folks wont touch her but they
wll go out of their way to hate LS. now, understand, i don't
want Sis Freeman to come under attack like LS has and
I doubt she has preached an entire sermon on MH BUT she has
promoted it in her sermons nonetheless. Therefore, I've come
to the conclusion that there are people out to fault find anything
they can on LS
Mark,
I have a paper written by Nona Freeman and it doesn't come off as promoting the "magic hair" doctrine. I think that term was espoused on this Forum anyway for the drama or the flogging. lol
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Bernard - Verse 10. The angels are involved with this subject, as they observe the obedience or disobedience of humans to God’s plan. The angels desire to look into our salvation (I Peter 1:12). Pride and rebellion caused the fall of Satan and many angels (I Timothy 3:6; Isaiah 14:12-15). Thus, a woman should have “power” on her head on her head as an example to the angels. The Greek word here is exousia, meaning “authority,” and in this context it indicates a mark or sign of authority. The angels look to see if women have the sign of consecration, submission, and power with God, or if they are rebellious like Satan. Women’s hair shows the angels whether or not the church is submissive to Christ, the head of the church.
Brother Bernard rests, primarily, on "authority" for exousia and LS rests on "power" alone. I believe Nona Freeman also rests on the "authority" and the "glory" which is our dignity and praise.
Incidentally, I'm not as prepared to go the "rebellion" and "fallen angel" route as Bernard has done. I would have more confidence in understanding that the angels do "desire" to look into our salvation as some marvelous things have been done and a measure of "authority" has been handed to the church, including the women. I'm sure that was a very interesting thing to view from above.
You are indeed a woman of God. This is done in the spirit of love and good judgement.
For those who disagree: Esther is not making a connection with LS as being on the level with God. What she is saying is that there are right ways to go about confronting a brother or sister about something you disagree with.
This is a caution to make sure one is careful to do things God's way. It is my understanding that going to the person one on one would be the first step.
I love Esther and DA, both are my friends and there is nothing inappropriate here.
You are indeed a woman of God. This is done in the spirit of love and good judgement.
For those who disagree: Esther is not making a connection with LS as being on the level with God. What she is saying is that there are right ways to go about confronting a brother or sister about something you disagree with.
This is a caution to make sure one is careful to do things God's way. It is my understanding that going to the person one on one would be the first step.
I love Esther and DA, both are my friends and there is nothing inappropriate here.
Blessings, Rhoni
Thank you, glad someone understood my intentions.
We all have disagreements with men and women of God, but we ALL must be very careful in how we deal with our disagreements.
I believe IF we don't handle it right, it can affect the way God will use us in His ministry.
Thanks Mark!
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