In the Oneness ranks how many believe in OSAS

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

So you don't believe in eternal security at any level?

Yes I do we have High Priest over the House that interceedes for those in the house but if I leave the house he does NOT intercede for me. Only if I remain in the house. Those protected by the blood remained in the house at the Passover in Exo. 13.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Yes I do we have High Priest over the House that interceedes for those in the house but if I leave the house he does NOT intercede for me. Only if I remain in the house. Those protected by the blood remained in the house at the Passover in Exo. 13.

You heard it here first folks, SE believes in eternal security. LOL

I think most Christians have to believe this to a certain degree cause if they didn't it would be aparent that they do not understand God's grace and mercy. I think there is NO SUCH thing as unconditional eternal security. Gotta be holy enough to please God, but no one is holy enough to please man, it seems.

[Michlow]

I seem to get closer and closer to that view. When I was UPC, I believed in more of an "Easy to Be Damned" view, by which I was constantly losing my salvation (many many times a day, in fact, everytime I did something wrong), so of course, I lived in constant fear that I would die or be raptured right after I stubbed my toe and thought a bad word.

My current view is not exactly OSAS, but fairly close. I think the only way that one can lose their salvation, is if the willingly and knowingly choose to turn their back on Jesus. And I don't think that is a very common thing to do. People sin, and they get mad at God, and go off and pout for a few years. But parents don't reject their children just because they get mad and say "I hate you" and "I wish I'd never been born", and throw a temper tantrum, and disobey, because they know they don't really mean it, they are just hurting.

I guess I think that God is the same way.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think you'll find just about everyone says that they don't believe in OSAS just because that's been drilled into us so hard.

Personally, for years I've question our basic assumptions on this point even to the point of bringing it up at a Oneness Symposium many years ago. My perspective arises from the standpoint of God's election. I consider the question of "free will versus determinism" to be a two sided coin that must be accepted as a fundamental paradox.

In other words, to answer the question "Is OSAS true?" we have to answer, "It depends on how you look at it..." instead of shouting outthe answer "NO!" that we're accustomed to shouting. The question is complex and deserves more consideration than the boiler plate responses we traditionally give.

And FWIW... I have generally received favorable responses from our leaders when I point this out.

I understand and agree from a point of what God knows will happen. Yes, what happens will happen from a determinist point. I totaly agree with that. My point from a OSAS position is from a choice point. When we choose to sin and go against God due to whatever reason does one lose salvation.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I understand and agree from a point of what God knows will happen. Yes, what happens will happen from a determinist point. I totaly agree with that. My point from a OSAS position is from a choice point. When we choose to sin and go against God due to whatever reason does one lose salvation.

For someone to make such a choice we would have to question whether or not they had ever been regenerated or "saved" to begin with.

It's a difficult area of discussion - as long as someone agrees with me on the difficulty of the question, I generally I have no problem with the conclusions they reach might reach.

[LUKE2447]

I personaly believe one is not saved if one does not follow after the Spirit. To not be under the law of the Spirit one would have to be under the law of the flesh. It is his passion or ours. Romans 8 goes over this. Sure God has mercy on us and Grace is given but I don't believe it is hard to lose either. When I say hard to lose I am not talking about quick thought or stupid stuff but a change of heart. I really don't think it is a hard to lose or easy to lose thing it simply is a matter of who are you the slave to which goes beyond the little stuff.

[DividedThigh]

i am in the oneness ranks and do not believe osas, dt