A Voice From the Past - E. L. Holley

[Sister Alvear]

Ron, a good christian school yes but some of the schools are not schools...

[Sister Alvear]

ALL my children went to public CATHOLIC schools and not one of them are catholic...they are all in church..some maybe more than others however they all know what it takes to be saved...THEY were taught at HOME...that is in accordance with the Bible...nothing can take the place of HOME.

[Sister Alvear]

and when one of my boys brought home his science book that supported Darwin...my son told his teacher, Sir, you are going to have a hard time convincing my mother that she came from a monkey..."

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Ron, a good christian school yes but some of the schools are not schools...

I agree with both of you. I used to be opposed to Christian Schools and homeschooling except in extreme cases where kids would be going to horrible urban public schools.

However as Ron has pointed out there is absolute evil against the word of God being taught in public schools today.

Here in Tennessee about a year ago I heard the owner of a pre school center interviewed and she was livid because new state regulations were requiring her to bring up the subject of sexual abuse to pre Kindergartners who 99.9% rightly have no idea what sex is and this will sexualize them prematurely.

The curriculum required her to paint a scenario to the little kids where an uncle was touching them, etc. This planting things in their little minds they would have never thought of on their own.

In the public schools they are now introducing curriculum in many states that doesn't just ask for tolerance of homosexuality but teaches it as an appropriate normal lifestyle.

At this point I do think Christians are going to have to fight to change these inroads of evil into public schools and when the battles are lost move their kids to GOOD Christian Schools.

As you have pointed out though BAD Christian schools staffed by uneducated people are not the answer. There are good ones though.

The downside in my opinion is what you pointed out. That there is a danger of kids being raised so sheltered that when they do finally have to deal with the world it overwhelms them. The positive side of public schools in areas where they are still good is that they teach kids how to get along with people different than them and how to live out Christianity.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by CC1

I agree with both of you. I used to be opposed to Christian Schools and homeschooling except in extreme cases where kids would be going to horrible urban public schools.

However as Ron has pointed out there is absolute evil against the word of God being taught in public schools today.

Here in Tennessee about a year ago I heard the owner of a pre school center interviewed and she was livid because new state regulations were requiring her to bring up the subject of sexual abuse to pre Kindergartners who 99.9% rightly have no idea what sex is and this will sexualize them prematurely.

The curriculum required her to paint a scenario to the little kids where an uncle was touching them, etc. This planting things in their little minds they would have never thought of on their own.

In the public schools they are now introducing curriculum in many states that doesn't just ask for tolerance of homosexuality but teaches it as an appropriate normal lifestyle.

At this point I do think Christians are going to have to fight to change these inroads of evil into public schools and when the battles are lost move their kids to GOOD Christian Schools.

As you have pointed out though BAD Christian schools staffed by uneducated people are not the answer. There are good ones though.

The downside in my opinion is what you pointed out. That there is a danger of kids being raised so sheltered that when they do finally have to deal with the world it overwhelms them. The positive side of public schools in areas where they are still good is that they teach kids how to get along with people different than them and how to live out Christianity.

There are horrible Christian schools. I agree. Then there are Christian schools that are not really Christian except for the sign over the door and the chapel service once a week. They are just baptized humanists. I would say most, not all, fit this description.

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

I'm sure you do. I was talking to the tiger. Roooaaar!

Oops - my bad, sorry.

[theoldpaths]

This article was more of good old time OP logic that you must ban everything because everything leads to something bad.

Generalization and not true.

You can't play Monopoly with dice because the next thing you know you will be in Vegas playing Craps with a blonde hoochie mama at your elbow rooting you on!

My pastor has never preached against monopoly and I've never heard of an Apostolic preacher do so.

I think the article speaks for itself. The ultra cons will revel in it's clarion call for cookie cutter corporate legalism layed down by a preacher modeled after the Old Testament Judges and Prophets rather than Jesus Christ's ministry on earth.

As the post shows, the article appeared in the Apostolic Sentinel.

As Paul in the NT says...

Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

The things that were written before (in the OT), were written for our learning - now in the NT

What things were written in the OT for our learning now? - whatsoever

In fact, Jesus preached from proverbs a few times.

I wonder how many times it is written in the NT - "as it is/was written"?

1Co 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
1Co 9:10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

Imagine that, the OT muzzling of an ox was written for our sakes now in the NT - Praise God!

1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Things in the OT are - PRESENT TENSE - written for our admonition now in the NT - God is great!

Let's not toss out the OT, but realize that it was also written for us in the NT and also contains types/shadows/figures/patterns for us in the NT.

Glory to God.

[theoldpaths]

Two thoughts on this: From reading of Elder Holley's disdain for grooming i would have to assume he never shaved. That would have been maring what God gave man naturally.

God also gave man hair which naturally grows, but man is to have short hair. Finger and toe nails grow naturally as well, but it doesn't mean we should just let nature takes it course now.

And as for the clear note I don't thionk there has ever been a clear note on our pentecostal man made standards. Hardly have ever two church's ever agreed on the rules book of what's holiness and what's not.

You know the interesting thing about the 12 tribes in the OT was that each one had its own unique characteristics and strengths but they were all the children of Israel and each tribe respected each other and they still had unity when they were in obedience to the word of God.

Isn't that interesting?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

Generalization and not true.


Brother, CC1 isn't nearly off the mark as you think.



My pastor has never preached against monopoly and I've never heard of an Apostolic preacher do so.


The author specifically mentioned dice. You need to dice to play Monopoly.



As the post shows, the article appeared in the Apostolic Sentinel.


It still doesn't hide the long held belief that one thing will lead to something worse, which will lead to something worse. I used to have a preacher tell me, "That's almost sinning." Well, almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. Almost sinning isn't sinning.

As Paul in the NT says...

Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

The things that were written before (in the OT), were written for our learning - now in the NT

What things were written in the OT for our learning now? - whatsoever

In fact, Jesus preached from proverbs a few times.

I wonder how many times it is written in the NT - "as it is/was written"?

1Co 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
1Co 9:10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

Imagine that, the OT muzzling of an ox was written for our sakes now in the NT - Praise God!

1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Things in the OT are - PRESENT TENSE - written for our admonition now in the NT - God is great!

Let's not toss out the OT, but realize that it was also written for us in the NT and also contains types/shadows/figures/patterns for us in the NT.

Glory to God.

I didn't quite get his point with the OT reference, but I am sure he will make himself clear.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

You know the interesting thing about the 12 tribes in the OT was that each one had its own unique characteristics and strengths but they were all the children of Israel and each tribe respected each other and they still had unity when they were in obedience to the word of God.

Isn't that interesting?

How do you explain the divided kingdom, using the 12 tribes as your example?