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07-31-2008, 06:26 PM
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Re: Do Conservatives Incite a Negative Response in
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Originally Posted by CC1
Bless their little hearts!
1. No. Under normal circumstances no problem. When they make Christianity appear foolish by swimming in a skirt, etc then I am sad, embarressed, dismayed, disgruntled, etc.
2. Silly question about the white shirt. Not distracted or irritated by women in jean skirts with frizzy hair.
3. On a personal basis no. I do feel it is my responsbility to do so on a forum like this one. I would never approach someone personally and try to change their views on their dress code.
4. Absurdly worded question along wth lines of "have you stopped beating your wife?". I live Christian values of morality and moderation. I do not seek to offend more conservative people but I don't spend my life worrying about other peoples hyper sensitivity to a dress code and extra biblical standards that have been pounded into their heads. I know some conservative Pentecostals who are so hypersensitive to womens dress codes that they notice a lot of things and take offense at them that I don't even notice because I am not fixated on it.
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Reminds me of a time we all went downhill skiing and the women all wore jean skirts around their snowmobile suits and snow pants. It looked ridiculas.
It all goes to the fact that for many it is not about "separation" of the sexes or even modesty, but about looking like a member of the group, therby assuring your place in the lambs book of life.
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07-31-2008, 06:27 PM
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Re: Do Conservatives Incite a Negative Response in
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Reminds me of a time we all went downhill skiing and the women all wore jean skirts around their snowmobile suits and snow pants. It looked ridiculas.
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Been there done that. I grew up in Alaska and when the young people in my UPC church went ice skating or skiing the girls had a skirt on the outside of their snowsuits!!!!! Arghhhhh!!!!!!! Now that really brought glory to the church and the Lord.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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07-31-2008, 06:27 PM
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Re: Do Conservatives Incite a Negative Response in
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
Yes, this is about standards.... you can leave if you have had your fill.
I have observed some Liberals are very uncomfortable with Christians (or even non-Christians for that matter) who are more conservaitve than they are themselves.
As a Liberal:
1. Do you feel anger or a rightous indignation when around those with a more conservative lifestyle?
2. Do you feel extremely distracted or irritated when a women in a jean skirt and frizzy hair perm, or a man in a white shirt and tie worships God with you at church?
3. Do you feel it is your duty to tell other other Christians they are wrong and you are right in lifestyle?
4. Are you content to flaunt your liberties in Christ as what is right or do you feel compelled to inform them they are in bondage to legalism and the Law of Moses?
Disclaimer: I dress modestly although I wear jewelry and makeup but never with the attitude of superiority because of my choices.
Blessings, Rhoni
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I basically ditto CC1's response!
1. Not at all. I don't think about it unless I see a girl skiing with a skirt on. I am more embarrassed for them than anything else.
2. Not at all!
3. As CC1 mentioned, only on this forum.
4. I try to be respectful of other's beliefs when I am in their territory. If they "catch" me out and about, I am what I am. If they are somehow offended, that's their problem, not mine! I don't really think about whether it appears that I'm flaunting or not!
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07-31-2008, 06:34 PM
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Re: Do Conservatives Incite a Negative Response in
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I do need to make a comment here. When I go home (to my home state, I mean), My Grandmother insists I go to church with her. I would never want to break her heart so I go, because the church is much more Con than I consider myself, I make adjustments to my wardrobe in order to "fit in". This is more about making my grandmother comfortable than about me, I would hate for her to be bombarded with questions about her granddaughter on the highway to hell.
So I do make a few changes, and I would never intentionally offend someone. But if they saw me on the street I wouldn't run away 
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That tells alot about you...that you love and respect your Grandmother enough to do this for her. (And I am not saying anyone who doesn't do this doesn't love and respect.) It just stood out to me. )
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07-31-2008, 06:37 PM
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Re: Do Conservatives Incite a Negative Response in
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Pro,
This is what I also do. I dress so as not to offend where I am, but sometimes I feel hypocritical, especially if they know I really don't dress that way.
Blessings, Rhoni
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Rhoni...don't feel hypocritical....I think it is a wonderful quality that you are being considerate and respectful. )
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07-31-2008, 07:23 PM
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Re: Do Conservatives Incite a Negative Response in
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Rhoni...don't feel hypocritical....I think it is a wonderful quality that you are being considerate and respectful. )
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Thank you Sassy. Because I was brought up in this conservative way...in their defense - they have good scripture for it and are only trying to live as close to God as they can. It doesn't hurt to go the extra mile if you think that is what you are doing. It is only those who think they are more holy than others who don't hold that rigid a dress standard that grieve the Spirit of God for their arrogance and self-righteousness.
Blessings, Rhoni
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07-31-2008, 07:30 PM
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Re: Do Conservatives Incite a Negative Response in
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Originally Posted by CC1
Bless their little hearts!
1. No. Under normal circumstances no problem. When they make Christianity appear foolish by swimming in a skirt, etc then I am sad, embarressed, dismayed, disgruntled, etc.
2. Silly question about the white shirt. Not distracted or irritated by women in jean skirts with frizzy hair.
3. On a personal basis no. I do feel it is my responsbility to do so on a forum like this one. I would never approach someone personally and try to change their views on their dress code.
4. Absurdly worded question along wth lines of "have you stopped beating your wife?". I live Christian values of morality and moderation. I do not seek to offend more conservative people but I don't spend my life worrying about other peoples hyper sensitivity to a dress code and extra biblical standards that have been pounded into their heads. I know some conservative Pentecostals who are so hypersensitive to womens dress codes that they notice a lot of things and take offense at them that I don't even notice because I am not fixated on it.
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My wife and I were sinning... I mean, swimming in our swim suits at a "Resort" in Branson earlier this summer and there was a woman and her family came out to swim as well. The only problem was that she had her hair slicked back in a pony tail, with a looooong denim skirt on, white socks and a white shirt. Her little girl was dressed almost identical. Once they got in the water, it was plain to see that they had bathing suits on beneath the white shirts. The husband had on some cut-off jeans, that were cut off below the knee, with a tee-shirt on as well.
My wife and I were dying and were just plumb embarrassed for them, but what was worse, was when we realized... They could've easily been from our former UC church.
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07-31-2008, 07:52 PM
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Re: Do Conservatives Incite a Negative Response in
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
Yes, this is about standards.... you can leave if you have had your fill.
I have observed some Liberals are very uncomfortable with Christians (or even non-Christians for that matter) who are more conservaitve than they are themselves.
As a Liberal:
1. Do you feel anger or a rightous indignation when around those with a more conservative lifestyle?
2. Do you feel extremely distracted or irritated when a women in a jean skirt and frizzy hair perm, or a man in a white shirt and tie worships God with you at church?
3. Do you feel it is your duty to tell other other Christians they are wrong and you are right in lifestyle?
4. Are you content to flaunt your liberties in Christ as what is right or do you feel compelled to inform them they are in bondage to legalism and the Law of Moses?
Disclaimer: I dress modestly although I wear jewelry and makeup but never with the attitude of superiority because of my choices.
Blessings, Rhoni
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I really can't answer I guess since I am a conservative/moderate
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07-31-2008, 09:05 PM
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Re: Do Conservatives Incite a Negative Response in
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
Yes, this is about standards.... you can leave if you have had your fill.
I have observed some Liberals are very uncomfortable with Christians (or even non-Christians for that matter) who are more conservaitve than they are themselves.
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That's because they can't stand for anyone to have any fun. They are perpetual wet blankets.
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
As a Liberal:
1. Do you feel anger or a rightous indignation when around those with a more conservative lifestyle?
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They feel anger only because Ultra Conservatives are having way more fun than they do.
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
2. Do you feel extremely distracted or irritated when a women in a jean skirt and frizzy hair perm, or a man in a white shirt and tie worships God with you at church?
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No, they feel upset because they don't look as good as an Ultra Con in a white shirt and three piece suit. When a liberal worships they sway like Miss America waving at the fans, and they never shout nor can they run the backs of the pews in slick cowboy boots.
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
3. Do you feel it is your duty to tell other other Christians they are wrong and you are right in lifestyle?
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Of course it's the Liberals sworn duty to pester good clean Apostolic Holiness people who are just trying to enjoy themselves. Liberals are also very cranky and get very upset when you tell them they are incorrect.
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
4. Are you content to flaunt your liberties in Christ as what is right or do you feel compelled to inform them they are in bondage to legalism and the Law of Moses?
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But of course! Every chance they get. It's like waving a red cape in front of a bull.
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
Disclaimer: I dress modestly although I wear jewelry and makeup but never with the attitude of superiority because of my choices.
Blessings, Rhoni
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I don't understand why anyone would think they could look down or be obnoxious because they choose to look, act and dress like every other Joe in America? The road is straight and the door way narrow, it's not made for everybody. Many are called and few are chosen. We need to deal with that.
It's not personal, it's spiritual. It would be grand if everyone would leave the Holiness Apostolics to be the happy fun filled people that God intended them to be. Let the Charismatic do their thing, with all the barking, and slithering under the pews, the bleached and purple hair, and super thick make-up, fake eyelashes, and cheap Cindy Lauper Jewelry.
They call us legalists, so what does that make them? Illegalists?
Lord bless
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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07-31-2008, 09:19 PM
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Re: Do Conservatives Incite a Negative Response in
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
That's because they can't stand for anyone to have any fun. They are perpetual wet blankets.
They feel anger only because Ultra Conservatives are having way more fun than they do.
No, they feel upset because they don't look as good as an Ultra Con in a white shirt and three piece suit. When a liberal worships they sway like Miss America waving at the fans, and they never shout nor can they run the backs of the pews in slick cowboy boots.
Of course it's the Liberals sworn duty to pester good clean Apostolic Holiness people who are just trying to enjoy themselves. Liberals are also very cranky and get very upset when you tell them they are incorrect.
But of course! Every chance they get. It's like waving a red cape in front of a bull.
I don't understand why anyone would think they could look down or be obnoxious because they choose to look, act and dress like every other Joe in America? The road is straight and the door way narrow, it's not made for everybody. Many are called and few are chosen. We need to deal with that.
It's not personal, it's spiritual. It would be grand if everyone would leave the Holiness Apostolics to be the happy fun filled people that God intended them to be. Let the Charismatic do their thing, with all the barking, and slithering under the pews, the bleached and purple hair, and super thick make-up, fake eyelashes, and cheap Cindy Lauper Jewelry.
They call us legalists, so what does that make them? Illegalists?
Lord bless
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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Typical conservative, that instead of answering the question for themselves, they answer for/blame the other folks. 
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