Is there a Spiritual Transformation at forgiveness

[U376977]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Where does the bible say that forgiveness of sins makes for a spiritual change...Im talking a transformation of our nature, not a change of mind or direction or will...that's OUR part...Im talking about HIS part

What did Peter write, "....by these divine promises we are made partakers of the divine nature...." Sounds to me like...the point of receiving salvation, but as we gain knowledge of the promises the divine nature is more and more manifest. Your thoughts?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michlow

I believe that there is a spiritual transformation/change any time we connect with God. How can someone be in the presence of God and not be changed?

Read Job. Satan appeared in His Presence

How about King Saul?

The question here though to me is how do you know you are connected with God? God forgives your sins does not require Him to "be connected" with you...I don't need to connect with someone that offended me in order to forgive them

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by U376977

What did Peter write, "....by these divine promises we are made partakers of the divine nature...." Sounds to me like...the point of receiving salvation, but as we gain knowledge of the promises the divine nature is more and more manifest. Your thoughts?

Where does he say "at the moment your sins are forgiven" though?

My point is, as Mich asked...having your sins forgiven does not require God to fill you with His Spirit...It can happen. But what is happening? He is forgiving or wiping our debt out. Our "record" is cleaned, but that does not necessarily mean we receive His Divine nature

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Read Job. Satan appeared in His Presence

How about King Saul?

The question here though to me is how do you know you are connected with God? God forgives your sins does not require Him to "be connected" with you...I don't need to connect with someone that offended me in order to forgive them

How do we ask God to forgive our sins without being in his presence? Or do you not believe that one has to ask?

[Jack Shephard]

U, I agree that the fighting amongst the 1 steppers and 3 steppers are too much. I know what I believe and others know what they believe. I am sure we are partly right and partly wrong. I am sure they are partly right and partly wrong.

Deadeye, it is foolishness for either to declare that they know it all. The true erronious doctrine is that one is saved by anything other than the grace of God. Period.