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Originally Posted by jaxfam6
Just a question
So God used pagans to help the early colonists and it is okay to celebrate a holiday to thank God and the pagans that helped us survive but not okay to take a holiday that started in pagan roots and use it to celebrate the birth of our Saviour and King?
both have Pagans involved
I am only trying to understand not criticize
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I answered this question already but I cannot find the post on this thread anymore scheesh!
Thanks Giving and the 'other' harvest festivities that have their roots in paganism are different events.
Ishtar and Passover are separate events also, Christians amalgamate them even though Ishtar is condemned by God in his word.
The Saturnalia (The Christ-mass) is not rooted in paganism, it IS paganism.
The names were changed to make it more palatable to the early church in the 2nd and third centuries.
When the United States was young, it was forbidden by LAW because it was paganism.
Not until the influx of the Irish and other Catholics did the law get overturned.
If God says it is an abomination, it IS an abomination for all time, no matter how we want to justify it.
This is my story:
At age 14 I was in Washington state with my mother and sister at my mother's boyfriend's home with his sons.
At Christmas time all the gifts were being given out and every one had lots of stuff; except me, I had nothing. It had my mother worried, I waited with a smile on my face and then a box was found with my name on it. it was a pair of 99cent house shoes. I was happy (Believe it or not).
I did not observe another Christmas till many years later when I gave my heart and life to Christ.
The first year I decided I was going to be a real Christian and celebrate Christmas with all the trimmings.
I went to a tree place and picked out a 'perfect' tree.
I tied it to my 69 Cougar and headed home.
I was in the mist of praising God for the birth of his Son and a very LOUD voice thundered in every fiber of my being "You shall not take that abomination into your home!"
I was so shaken by what just happened, I had to pull over to the curb.
I couldn't take the tree back ($22).
So, I went to an AOG minister's home and they dismissed it out of hand saying it was a Christian Holiday and it was ok. They asked for the Tree since I wouldn't take it home with me.
I gave it to them.
On Christmas eve someone broke into their home, stole the tree and all the gifts under it (just a side note).
I talked to my Cousin and her husband, my Pastor and others. No one ever mentioned it was pagan or steeped in paganism.
My cousin told me to research it and let her know what I found (I just turned 20). I went to the library and grabbed an encyclopedia and spent the next several days doing secular research on the event called Christmas.
The next thing was to cross reference some of what I found with the bible.
When I did, there it was. My children are grown and out of the home, all have trees and things and I always receive invites to their homes, they come to mine.
My wife and I neither one put up a tree. She gives gifts and loves this season and knows what I believe. She decorates the inside of the home with winter scenes. I don't help her put them out, nor put them up.
One day "The history of Santa Clause" came to the mall. She took the kids to see the 12 Santas of history and when she came home she sat down and told me she used to think I was just plain nuts. But when she went with the kids and the guide finished the tour they were told that all Santas were an evolution of an ancient Babylonian king named Nimrod, his birth day was Dec. 25th, his favorite animal was the reindeer. His symbol after his death was the evergreen tree (His favorite tree in life).
On his birthday the guests would come and lay their gifts at his feet, he would open his gifts at the end of his feast and give them back out to the guests.
After his death, someone would dress up like him and the party would take place every year on Dec 25th (The veneration of the unconquerable sun: The Saturnalia).
Yes Virginia, there is a pagan god (Santa Clause).
Of course when saints pray many times it seems as if they think Jesus is Santa God.
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