Saints on Drugs

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by ILG

So immunizations work because they have the actual substance? Just trying to understand the difference here...

Immunizations have a weakened or killed *actual substance* in them. It's the virus, but it's weak or killed, not diluted.

In homeopathy, the substance is diluted and then shaken, then a drop is taken from that mixture and diluted again and shaken, and another drop and diluted and shaken and then another drop and it repeats.... Until there is literally nothing discernible left of the starting substance.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by ILG

I somewhat agree with what you are saying. You say you have studied these things for a long time, I assume on your own? And yet, we can learn some things from psychiatry and counselors even if we don't agree that drugs are the right answer. Maybe they are sometimes though.

My studies and analysis comes from a broad range of research, including writing a book. I have also read several books, religious and non-religious dealing with this issue. I have worked in the public school system dealing with all ages of children, raising three of my own children (all different, mentally, emotionally, energetically). I am also a fully Ordained Minister, pastoring for the last 13 years.

I have also been to the school of "Hard Knocks" and have a degree in "Kneeology".

I work in an office where 2 certified, licensed counselors (1 with 15 years of college) maintain thier practices. The one with the most experience has sat in my office, asking for advice because of my experience as a pastor and personal zeal to help people.

She has personally told me about the pressure she faces from pharmicutical companies to "Push" drugs that are highly addictive. The reward for "Pushing"; All expense paid for trips, large cash bonuses, free drugs, ect.

When money becomes the ploy, corruption will find it's way in to the moral fibers of this profession, regardless of oath, verbal committment to do what's right, or the desire to not hurt people. Money, this issue is all about money. Money is powerful and evolves people into the realm of being sinister.

If you've ever been an addict, you understand what I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bzwx5HcurM

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I trust most people here are smart enough to NOT take this advice.

Randy, I would never use RADIATION THERAPY that has VERY little success rate in the overall scheme!

Your body did not get cancer because it needed chemo or radiation!

Also your point on vaccines..... Seriously they don't help and the common process known to produce antibodies are being questioned now. As many have shown this form that current science uses really doesn't work. Your body can defend itself with natural remedies and does not need vaccines.

I guess you also support childhood vaccines as well.

[LUKE2447]

Also Randy, natural methods have been shown to work better than the standard 2-5% overall succes rate on cancer victims.

It's about like the common "oh I hope we can find a cure for AIDS" when there have been cures for a long time. (let alone the flawed HIV theory) No different with Cancer! Cures have been known and radiation therapy and Chemo are not the answers!

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Blubayou

I do think that doctors push drugs especially depression drugs on people, without trying to get to root of the problem first. I know this has happened to me and to my husband. I think there are a couple of reasons for this- we live in an instant world where we want an instant fix for the problem and getting to the root of the issue would take lots of time with the doctor and many do not want to invest that kind of time. I do think there are occasions where anti depression drugs can be very helpful to get someone over the "hump" and help them work through a problem. In this case - they would be used in conjunction with talk therapy with a counselor, or if a person is willing- reading and soul searching on their own. I do think that there is a physical depletion of natural enzymes(sp) that control moods and depression. In that case - just like with insulin- someone would need to take anti depression drugs unless God would heal them. JMO Hope this makes sense.

I appreciate your positive input, however. Research is proving beyond the shadow of a doubt, drugs are not the answer, period. Learning to lean on God is! Faith in Him is our Hope and assurance that all will be OK.

Trust in the Lord with ALL thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. Falling into the Lord's arms will be forever our answer, and, is His perfect will for us. He will take us over the hump.

Like the video that I first posted, no test can be done to confirm ADD, ADHD, Depression, and all of the other disorders proclaimed by the psyhciactric industry. You cannot cure something that doesn't exist by giving "It" medication that leads to the horror of losing your mind.

Our problem as people is this; we don't like to suffer or feel pain, so we seek for relief in the wrong places with the wrong antidote because the "FIX" is quick. Understanding this will help us. We must know, suffering is real, part of life, and truly makes us into who we are.

We were meant to cry, feel pain, sorrow, anxiety, joy, and we must not hinder these by mind altering devices born of Satan. When we endure these, we change, grow, and become made into His image through time.

Saints aren't going to the Garden, to weep, sweat, and agonize thier grief, they are opening thier hearts to "Proffesionals" who have been given 30 pieces of silver.

God Bless, NFS

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Tina

Some people would be surprised to find many "problems" they have that throw them out of balance can be fixed by a monthly Vitamin B injection.

Proven fact: Good diet brings health to the mind. This reason is quite simple; When we eat right, our bodies rejoice. When the body feels better, the mind is invigorated because they are one.

Many today suffer because they don't take care of themself. This is so simple and so powerful.

Thanks, NFS

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Proven fact: Good diet brings health to the mind. This reason is quite simple; When we eat right, our bodies rejoice. When the body feels better, the mind is invigorated because they are one.

Many today suffer because they don't take care of themself. This is so simple and so powerful.

Thanks, NFS

Amen! Eating good for your health is nowhere near the American diet!

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

An even bigger fraud is the homeopathic (non)drugs that are making their way into religious circles.
Homeopathic anything has far more in common with magic hair than any specific drug which would actually have an effect.

Money! Same ol' thing, money.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Proven fact: Good diet brings health to the mind. This reason is quite simple; When we eat right, our bodies rejoice. When the body feels better, the mind is invigorated because they are one.

Many today suffer because they don't take care of themself. This is so simple and so powerful.

Thanks, NFS

Also if people would look at what God said to and not to eat......... maybe we might not have so many issues. Not including all of the current issues thanks to companies like Monsanto etc....

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I appreciate your positive input, however. Research is proving beyond the shadow of a doubt, drugs are not the answer, period. Learning to lean on God is! Faith in Him is our Hope and assurance that all will be OK.

Trust in the Lord with ALL thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. Falling into the Lord's arms will be forever our answer, and, is His perfect will for us. He will take us over the hump.

Like the video that I first posted, no test can be done to confirm ADD, ADHD, Depression, and all of the other disorders proclaimed by the psyhciactric industry. You cannot cure something that doesn't exist by giving "It" medication that leads to the horror of losing your mind.

Our problem as people is this; we don't like to suffer or feel pain, so we seek for relief in the wrong places with the wrong antidote because the "FIX" is quick. Understanding this will help us. We must know, suffering is real, part of life, and truly makes us into who we are.

We were meant to cry, feel pain, sorrow, anxiety, joy, and we must not hinder these by mind altering devices born of Satan. When we endure these, we change, grow, and become made into His image through time.

Saints aren't going to the Garden, to weep, sweat, and agonize thier grief, they are opening thier hearts to "Proffesionals" who have been given 30 pieces of silver.

God Bless, NFS

Have you ever thought about how possibly TV and whatever you watch can cause issues in your health from a mental aspect. I very much believe such constant stimulation from a negative standpoint gets the body to release chemicals on a dialy basis it would not naturally. Thus our body becomes out of whack causing health issues over the long haul not including spiritual issues.