Vince Larson Apology - Blessing & Cursing - Page 3

SDG · #21 02-04-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

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Why did God want Abram to separate himself from Terah (Abram's father)? Why did He want him to leave Ur?

Surely God could have done a great work through Abram in Ur?

Did Terah have a godly heritage?

MissBrattified · #22 02-04-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Not always, I agree ... I think DG would agree. But it makes it very complicated. Many layers. DG is very well acquainted with this dilemma based on his own personal experiences.

I understand the dilemma of being authentic and being your own "version" of Christianity sans parental apron strings. I understand trying to "break free." I understand trying to be provocative without being shocking. I get it.

But unfortunately human nature has to be taken into account, and either provided for, or its onslaught prepared and ready for.

MissBrattified · #23 02-04-2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Side note:

Why did God want Abram to separate himself from Terah (Abram's father)? Why did He want him to leave Ur?

Surely God could have done a great work through Abram in Ur?

Kind of different. Abram didn't leave until after Terah died. And he left Haran--not Ur.

EA · #24 02-04-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Did Terah have a godly heritage?

Originally, yes.

But he invited idols into his life.

Maybe God is calling us back to pure doctrine, and others are confusing that calling with something new.

Truth is, over the years, we bring idols into the church without even realizing it. Maybe God is calling some folks away from the influence of families who have created, and yet cling to, an image of God that is faulty?

Raven · #25 02-04-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Originally, yes.

But he invited idols into his life.

Maybe God is calling us back to pure doctrine, and others are confusing that calling with something new.

Truth is, over the years, we bring idols into the church without even realizing it. Maybe God is calling some folks away from the influence of families who have created, and yet cling to, an image of God that is faulty?

Now, that is something to think about Edward.

MissBrattified · #26 02-04-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Maybe God is calling some folks away from the influence of families who have created, and yet cling to, an image of God that is faulty?

Who worship the creature (ktisis - original formation) more than the Creator?

EA · #27 02-04-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Kind of different. Abram didn't leave until after Terah died. And he left Haran--not Ur.

"And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran, "And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall show thee. Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell" (Acts 7:2-4).

Cindy · #28 02-04-2009, 08:18 AM

I don't know how old you are VL, but you should know by now that some people are sad and pitiful, especially on forums. That's a nice way of saying they're jerks of course. And they read your words and yet somehow miss seeing themselves as they are. Lessons learned through causing pain to those we love are the hardest. God bless you.

MissBrattified · #29 02-04-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

"And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran, "And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall show thee. Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell" (Acts 7:2-4).

This doesn't contradict what I said. LOL!!!! Abram left to go into Canaan from Haran, and he didn't leave (Haran) until his father was dead.

Gen 11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.
Gen 11:32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.

Gen 12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran
Gen 12:5 And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.

deltaguitar · #30 02-04-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Originally, yes.

But he invited idols into his life.

Maybe God is calling us back to pure doctrine, and others are confusing that calling with something new.

Truth is, over the years, we bring idols into the church without even realizing it. Maybe God is calling some folks away from the influence of families who have created, and yet cling to, an image of God that is faulty?

Uh oh, you just started telling the truth. Tradition may seem good and right in our own knowledge but when God decides it is enough he usually will make a way out. I would have never left and would still be making excuses and being an apologist for things that I didn't believe if God had not stepped in and handled the situation.

There is nothing better than godly christian heritage and I give my parents and family a lot of credit. Nothing is harder than taking that step away from our comfort zone but once you feel the tug of God and give into it everything else just seems to crumble and not matter anymore.