I'd like to see you discuss that aspect a little more Rev. Specifically, what you mean by "we must produce".
I think he is right. If we DO NOT produce fruit then we are not really known as to who we belong to, God or satan. As Jesus cursed the olive tree because it did not bear fruit I think those that never bring forth their fruit he will cast them out because not only did they, obviously, never know Him but he does not know them. So therefore if you want to make it in you better produce some fruit so God knows you are His. (not that he really needs you to but by producing fruit EVERYONE else knows you are His)
I think he is right. If we DO NOT produce fruit then we are not really known as to who we belong to, God or satan. As Jesus cursed the olive tree because it did not bear fruit I think those that never bring forth their fruit he will cast them out because not only did they, obviously, never know Him but he does not know them. So therefore if you want to make it in you better produce some fruit so God knows you are His. (not that he really needs you to but by producing fruit EVERYONE else knows you are His)
does that make any sense?
I was getting more to the "we must produce" the fruit. I'm not sure I believe that the "gifts" have anything to do with producing the "fruit" in us. I'm not sure that "we" produce the fruit. I believe that the Holy Spirit produces that fruit in us which then conveys to a lost world.
The fruits of the spirit aren't the same as the fruits of our labor for Christ such as winning souls and accomplishing things for Kingdom of God. I don't see that we "produce" the fruits of the spirit.
I guess it probably comes down to how we're defining "produce".
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REVDWW I'm glad you are teaching young people,and I'm sure you are doing an awesome job.
I'm also glad you are reaching souls for Christ that are in prison.
Since the fruit is fruit of the Spirit,the Spirit produces the fruit, however we must yield to the Holy Spirit and ,walk after the Spirit,the more yielded to the Spirit we are the greater the crop so to speak.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
I would say that the fruit of the Spirit are a differing aspect of the Spirit's work in the believer.
While it is the same Holy Spirit that manifests,the gifts the fruit of the Spirit is an differing aspect of the work of The Spirit.
The way I see it,is that there is different workings of The Holy Ghost in the life of the believer.
Spirit Filled groups,mostly emphasize one aspect of the work of The Spirit and neglect the other workings of the blessed Holy Ghost.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
REVDWW I'm glad you are teaching young people,and I'm sure you are doing an awesome job.
I'm also glad you are reaching souls for Christ that are in prison.
Since the fruit is fruit of the Spirit,the Spirit produces the fruit, however we must yield to the Holy Spirit and ,walk after the Spirit,the more yielded to the Spirit we are the greater the crop so to speak.
I completely agree. When we walk after the spirit, wholely, then the fruits of the Spirit are evident in our lives.
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In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity. Augustine
I would say that the fruit of the Spirit are a differing aspect of the Spirit's work in the believer.
While it is the same Holy Spirit that manifests,the gifts the fruit of the Spirit is an differing aspect of the work of The Spirit.
The way I see it,is that there is different workings of The Holy Ghost in the life of the believer.
Spirit Filled groups,mostly emphasize one aspect of the work of The Spirit and neglect the other workings of the blessed Holy Ghost.
That's my point also Scott. I don't see the gifts of wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discerning spirits, tongues, interpretation of tonuges, administration and helps being the producers of all of the fruits of the Spirit in our individual lives.
I see the two as different works of the Holy Spirit.
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In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity. Augustine
This might sound crazy for a believer that believes that everything that was for the early church is for Christians today,I think teachings on the gifts have been worked to death,while instruction on the fruit of the Spirit has been tossed aside for the fun stuff and Spiritual fireworks.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
Last edited by Scott Hutchinson; 07-03-2009 at 02:07 PM.
That's my point also Scott. I don't see the gifts of wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discerning spirits, tongues, interpretation of tonuges, administration and helps being the producers of all of the fruits of the Spirit in our individual lives.
I see the two as different works of the Holy Spirit.
Yes I agree.I feel we can have both,to me it's not a either or situation.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
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