If You're Depressed and Despondent Get Some Help! - Page 3

Jeffrey · #21 08-07-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I was just pointing out there is no test to check imbalance.

I think we do the church a great disservice with refering folks to shrinks. Bible has many promises regarding the mind.

There are plenty of Bible-based professional psychologists that use a Christian worldview with these issues, if that's your concern.

It's medicine though. If we go to the doc for a problem with our stomach, why do we call a time-out when it comes to our mind?

nahkoe · #22 08-07-2009, 04:45 PM

I honestly can't believe y'all are arguing this point. If you are struggling, GET HELP. I don't care where, who, how, what. GET HELP. I don't care if you pray to a tree trunk, if it keeps you alive to see tomorrow, God can fix tomorrow. But if you don't do something, and you just give up, there's no tomorrow.

I'm saying this both as someone who has been that hopeless, and someone who is still reeling from the loss of a friend who gave up.

How can you place a judgment on help that keeps a person alive?

*AQuietPlace* · #23 08-07-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I was just pointing out there is no test to check imbalance.

I think we do the church a great disservice with refering folks to shrinks. Bible has many promises regarding the mind.

I think we do a great disservice when we cause people to feel guilt and condemnation for seeking help for a real physical ailment. Our mind can get sick just as well as our bodies. Often the mental sickness is caused by something wrong in our bodies.

No, anti-depressants are not the cure-all, and are way over-prescribed. But there are REAL things that can go wrong in our bodies, and no one should feel condemned for seeking help in these areas.

We can also have issues that we genuinely need counseling for. Professional counseling at times. I personally went through an extremely difficult time several years ago, where I felt like I was going to go crazy. No one reached out to really help me. If I tried to talk to anyone, the pat answer was just 'you need to forgive'. No, I didn't just need to forgive. I needed a shoulder to cry on, someone to tell me they understood, someone just to listen and care. Someone to help me figure out how to walk the hard path I had to walk. We tell people they need to "pray". Well, apparently God intended for us to do more than just pray, he intended for our fellow man to lend a hand. That's why there's so much in the Bible about loving our neighbor. He doesn't tell us to just tell them to go pray.

Sometimes our churches fall woefully short in this area, and then we quickly point our fingers at our 'weak' brothers and sisters. This saddens me.

coadie · #24 08-07-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

Serotoin often is the cause for some of this, have you ever felt irritated because you haven't ate or tired etc, chemicals can effect moods and behaviors.

We are material beings and when that material is flawed or sick it will effect or decision making abilities. Any drug user knows this to be true.

Again I am saying competent professional who can do a balanced assessment to see if this is a factor.

Do you mean serotonin? And what is the purpose of ordering a seratonin "test"?

why not just test for this?
5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid

we are seeing an epidemic increase of 350% in 15 years
Psychotropic drug prescriptions
There many new products on the market in the last 10 years. SSRI's are taking off.

Jeffrey · #25 08-07-2009, 04:54 PM

Medical help is necessary, because often it's a medical condition.

Are mental illnesses related to spiritual problems? They certainly can be, but let's not distract people from medical help. I don't recommend praying to tree trunks, seems like there is a funny story in Isaiah about that

coadie · #26 08-07-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

There are plenty of Bible-based professional psychologists that use a Christian worldview with these issues, if that's your concern.

It's medicine though. If we go to the doc for a problem with our stomach, why do we call a time-out when it comes to our mind?

Psychologists do not do lab work nor prescribe meds.
We are talking Psychiatrists.

Now Psychiatrists are M.Ds and are lesser in recommending behavioral therapies.

http://www.minirthclinic.com/index.html

This guy is rare. he is one of the most brilliant and can sort thru spiritual or medical issues. He has been thru seminary and says we need saints to pray and go to the correct place for help.

There are a lot of Psychologists that claim to be Christian and use the standard Freudian analytical and secular training.

nahkoe · #27 08-07-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Medical help is necessary, because often it's a medical condition.

Are mental illnesses related to spiritual problems? They certainly can be, but let's not distract people from medical help. I don't recommend praying to tree trunks, seems like there is a funny story in Isaiah about that

Ok, I don't necessarily recommend praying to tree trunks.

soldoutochrist · #28 08-07-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nahkoe

I honestly can't believe y'all are arguing this point. If you are struggling, GET HELP. I don't care where, who, how, what. GET HELP. I don't care if you pray to a tree trunk, if it keeps you alive to see tomorrow, God can fix tomorrow. But if you don't do something, and you just give up, there's no tomorrow.

I'm saying this both as someone who has been that hopeless, and someone who is still reeling from the loss of a friend who gave up.

How can you place a judgment on help that keeps a person alive?

Great post.

Jeffrey · #29 08-07-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

Psychologists do not do lab work nor prescribe meds.
We are talking Psychiatrists.

Now Psychiatrists are M.Ds and are lesser in recommending behavioral therapies.

http://www.minirthclinic.com/index.html

This guy is rare. he is one of the most brilliant and can sort thru spiritual or medical issues. He has been thru seminary and says we need saints to pray and go to the correct place for help.

There are a lot of Psychologists that claim to be Christian and use the standard Freudian analytical and secular training.

There are several Psychologists within the UPCI itself. You are right about the MD part of this, where a psych is more concerned with behavioral science. Both are very valuable. Humans are complex beings and we've all benefited greatly from psychology over the last 20 years, by understanding symptoms and being able to better cope.

Irreligious · #30 08-07-2009, 05:05 PM

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