Stonekings Covering

[Esther]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think the point is that since LS believes the covering refers to uncut or short hair (depending on the gender in question), wearing a cap would not be inconsistent with his own teachings, OR his interpretation of scripture. It makes the "hypocrisy" accusation null and void in this instance.

Unless someone teaches that men should remove their hats during prayer, and women should wear hats or veils during prayer, (which LS does not teach), then they should take no issue with women going without veils or men keeping their hats on.

Now, I think LS is way off on his hair teachings, generally speaking, but the comments about his Jewish hat are just silly, because it doesn't contradict a single thing the man believes or teaches.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by missourimary

If you feel this is the unalterable truth and the only interpretation, by all means, go call the man and teach him the error of his way. Don't accuse him on a discussion board he isn't a part of.

What is the topic of discussion on this thread Missourimary?

[Steve Epley]

I am NOT now nor have I ever been a Stoneking fan but he teaches that LONG hair is the covering NOT an articial covering.

[ManOfWord]

To the Jewish men, the wearing of a Kippah or Yarmulke, as it is called, is a remembrance that there is always someone (God) over them. Yarmulke means "in awe of the King." I happily don one whenever I enter a Synagogue. It is a Jewish custom which I respectfully follow. Paul did the same.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

1 Cor. 11:4

This is Pauls teaching given by inspiration of the Spirit. Culture has nothing to do with it. It is an ordinance of the Church. Stoneking is in violation tho he does not believe it. He is making the commands of Christ of none affect by his tradition.

Well, Michael, that is your opinion, based on the idea that it is a physical covering rather than hair. I suppose you believe the same about me, since I believe my long hair is a covering, RATHER than a hat or veil.

No matter, the point is that the statements about LS being a hypocrite for wearing a hat during prayer don't hold up. One is a hypocrite when one says one thing and does another. LS says one thing--and does it.

[izzorac79]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

To the Jewish men, the wearing of a Kippah or Yarmulke, as it is called, is a remembrance that there is always someone (God) over them. Yarmulke means "in awe of the King." I happily don one whenever I enter a Synagogue. It is a Jewish custom which I respectfully follow. Paul did the same.

Paul follow the law because there was temple still standing. When the temple was destroyed in 70ad it was destroyed with all the record of every single hebrew with the exception of Jesus (the bible Mathew and Luke). We don't follow the traditions of man, but of God. we don't become like them, they have to become like Christ. The jew of today has no way of tracking down his or her lenieage. We as Christians don't were Kippah because we don't mourn after a temple because we are the temple of the Holy Ghost. They need that temple to have access to the precense of God. Christians don't need that physical temple. A jew believes according to the Talmud that Christ is dead in his own bown movements because he was born of roman soldier that raped mary, and you are going to wear a Kippah. why stop there, wear a hindu monk attire when you visit those temples.

The only reason Paul follow the law is because the temple was still there. during that time 2 kingdoms were running the physical and the spiritual kingdom Gal 4 the physical kingdom (the law system, the physical temple) had to be removed just like ishmael, that way the spiritual kingdom can go forward (issac).

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

1 Cor. 11:4

This is Pauls teaching given by inspiration of the Spirit. Culture has nothing to do with it. It is an ordinance of the Church. Stoneking is in violation tho he does not believe it. He is making the commands of Christ of none affect by his tradition.

I really don't think it's "his" (Lee S.) tradition so much as him being obedient to the rules and regulations that govern the area in proximity to the Western Wall.

Tell you what Michael, next time you're over there just push past all of the Jewish caretakers pleading with you to stop, and just strut right up to the Western Wall, raise your hands and speak in tongues.

Let me know ahead of time when you'll be there because this sounds like a great YouTube documentary in the making. Then before they can arrest you, run down to the entrance to the Temple Mount itself, charge up the stairs and... I dunno, do whatever you feel led to do.

Pray in tongues, put your foot in the impression of the Prophet's "footprint" on the Rock at Moriah to compare shoe sizes. Just kind of roll with it and I'll keep the camera rolling.

When you get out of the hospital you will be deported and banned from the Holy Land for life. But I'll have a great YouTube video.

On the other hand, you could just put on the little hat like everybody else.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

To the Jewish men, the wearing of a Kippah or Yarmulke, as it is called, is a remembrance that there is always someone (God) over them. Yarmulke means "in awe of the King." I happily don one whenever I enter a Synagogue. It is a Jewish custom which I respectfully follow. Paul did the same.

What Paul did in Temple via vows and ritual was temporary. Regarding covering heads in prayer though he was clear with the Corinthians.

I would expect the Jews today to cover - because Christ is not revealed or exposed in their hearts and minds. For Christian men though, Christ is revealed and if he covers to pray it is dishonorable.

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7[B]A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God;

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I really don't think it's "his" (Lee S.) tradition so much as him being obedient to the rules and regulations that govern the area in proximity to the Western Wall.

Tell you what Michael, next time you're over there just push past all of the Jewish caretakers pleading with you to stop, and just strut right up to the Western Wall, raise your hands and speak in tongues.

Let me know ahead of time when you'll be there because this sounds like a great YouTube documentary in the making. Then before they can arrest you, run down to the entrance to the Temple Mount itself, charge up the stairs and... I dunno, do whatever you feel led to do.

Pray in tongues, put your foot in the impression of the Prophet's "footprint" on the Rock at Moriah to compare shoe sizes. Just kind of roll with it and I'll keep the camera rolling.

When you get out of the hospital you will be deported and banned from the Holy Land for life. But I'll have a great YouTube video.

On the other hand, you could just put on the little hat like everybody else.

Right on target again. When I was at the wall, they wouldn't even let you come in to the area of the wall unless your head was covered. I also took my shoes off to walk through the Dome of the Stone. I am no defender of the King of Stones but jumping him for obeying the customs at the wall is weak.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

What Paul did in Temple via vows and ritual was temporary. Regarding covering heads in prayer though he was clear with the Corinthians.

I would expect the Jews today to cover - because Christ is not revealed or exposed in their hearts and minds. For Christian men though, Christ is revealed and if he covers to pray it is dishonorable.

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7[B]A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God;