Article in Forward - Page 3

Pastor Keith · #21 10-08-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

There was an article in the new Forward written by Rodney Shaw about culture and christianity.

It was a good read, but I was disappointed with the rather blatant editing of a quote in a sidebar.

Here's the full quote:

Here's what RS printed for a quote on how Christians lived in the early church:

I know it shouldn't be a surprise that the first part of the quote wasn't included, since it undermines the UPC stance on outward standards ... but because of the subject and inclusion of part of the quote, the whole quote should have been used.

It's both intellectually and journalistically dishonest to edit and include part of a quote to seem as though this ages-old epistle agrees with what's written, or in this case - the current stance of the UPC in regards to outward standards.

At the risk of tooting my own horn, I have posted this before on this forum.

Not quoting the whole piece to support an prexisting viewpoint is an example of not being honest intellectually in my opinion.

pelathais · #22 10-08-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Isn't RS the editor?

Dunno. Simeon Young is the editor of the Herald. Somebody grab a recent Forward and tell us who the editor there is!

freeatlast · #23 10-08-2009, 03:10 PM

Is there someplace that you can read online, the DB article about hair that is sposed to be in the new Forward?

rgcraig · #24 10-08-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Dunno. Simeon Young is the editor of the Herald. Somebody grab a recent Forward and tell us who the editor there is!

Looks like RS is the editor:

About Pastor Shaw
Rodney Shaw is the associate pastor of New Life Church. As one of our pastors, he frequently preaches in our services, provides pastoral counseling and guidance, and is the primary teacher of our adult Sunday school class. He also directs much of the administration of the church and oversees and gives guidance to all of New Life's various ministries.

In addition to his ministry at New Life, he is the editor of the Vision, the bimonthly magazine of the South Texas District United Pentecostal Church, and the Forward, the bimonthy magazine for the ministers of the United Pentecostal Church International.

Justin · #25 10-14-2009, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Is there someplace that you can read online, the DB article about hair that is sposed to be in the new Forward?

Could someone post the article or PM it to me?

CC1 · #26 10-14-2009, 11:22 AM

I don't think anyone begrudges a writer or editor for only quoting a portion of a text. However it is being somewhat intellectually dishonest when it is done because the portion of the text not quoted contradicts the primary position of the person quoting the other portion of the text.

I guess it really comes down to proximity. I don't have any problem with a Oneness person quoting from a trinitarians book on areas that they are in agreement with but not quoting sections dealing with the godhead that they don't.

However I would think it intellectually dishonest to take one particular paragraph on a subject and only quote the portion of it that supports your points while the unquoted portion does the opposite.

rrford · #27 10-14-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I don't think anyone begrudges a writer or editor for only quoting a portion of a text. However it is being somewhat intellectually dishonest when it is done because the portion of the text not quoted contradicts the primary position of the person quoting the other portion of the text.

I guess it really comes down to proximity. I don't have any problem with a Oneness person quoting from a trinitarians book on areas that they are in agreement with but not quoting sections dealing with the godhead that they don't.

However I would think it intellectually dishonest to take one particular paragraph on a subject and only quote the portion of it that supports your points while the unquoted portion does the opposite.

I sure hope ya'll are as critical of ALL written works that do the same thing as this is a quite common practice in all writing. If one were only to quote works and cite references they are totally in agreement with then all writing would have to become original. I can't think of very many written works that I may reference that I would 100% agree with.

That does not mean that one should not offer some type of clarifying statement that one disagrees with much of the body of work but found a point or two they could support. Then again, some things that are rather obvious may not need to be stated. For instance, I may quote a Trinitartian source but it would be rather obvious I am not in agreement with the totality of the source.

Jeffrey · #28 10-14-2009, 11:32 AM

I enjoy Shaw's writing.

MissBrattified · #29 10-14-2009, 11:33 AM

I guess I'm confused.

Did Rodney Shaw write the original article, and then only quote a small portion of it in the Forward?

Or did someone else write an article for the Forward and quote a small portion of RS's article?

rrford · #30 10-14-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I guess I'm confused.

Did Rodney Shaw write the original article, and then only quote a small portion of it in the Forward?

Or did someone else write an article for the Forward and quote a small portion of RS's article?

Neither. RS wrote an articvloe and quoted another source. But he only quoted a part of the other source that he agreed with and not the ENTIRETY of the work, some of which he would disagree with.

It perplexes me that folks actually think he should quote the ENTIRE work. Just another reason to "dig" I suppose.