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Old 01-07-2010, 11:37 AM
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Much time passes and Israel escapes Egypt's bondage by Passover, when the lamb's blood redeemed them, and Pharaoh pursues the people. Time passed for Christ as well, after escaping death at the hand of Herod, and He dies and resurrects to the throne of God.

Israel flees into the wilderness and is fed manna for 40 years. Pharaoh pursues the people.
Rev 12:6-13 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (7) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. (9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. (11) And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. (12) Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.


Exo 14:5-8 And it was told the king of Egypt that the people fled: and the heart of Pharaoh and of his servants was turned against the people, and they said, Why have we done this, that we have let Israel go from serving us? (6) And he made ready his chariot, and took his people with him: (7) And he took six hundred chosen chariots, and all the chariots of Egypt, and captains over every one of them. (8) And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel: and the children of Israel went out with an high hand.
When Pharaoh comes upon Israel, they are at the Red Sea and God opens up the Red Sea for Israel to escape, blocking Egypt's armies by the pillar of fire and cloud. Pharaoh sees the pillar remove and sends his armies off after Israel into the Red Sea. And God drowns out the armies of Egypt.
Exo 14:23-28 And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them to the midst of the sea, even all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen. (24) And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians, (25) And took off their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily: so that the Egyptians said, Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the LORD fighteth for them against the Egyptians. (26) And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen. (27) And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to his strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against it; and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea. (28) And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.
When Moses later worships God with Israel, God spekas how he carried Israel on eagle's wings and had the earth swallow up the armies of Egypt.
Exo 15:12 Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.

Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

Rev 12:14-16 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (15) And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. (16) And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
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Sorry for so many posts, but this so astounds my spirit and shows me how God's Word is so awesome!


Here is where things get really interesting.

As Moses came down from the Mount with Law, God informed him that the people made a golden calf and were worshiping it.
Exo 32:1-34 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him. (2) And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me. (3) And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron. (4) And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. (5) And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD. (6) And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play. (7) And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: (8) They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
We read of an IMAGE OF THE BEAST in Revelation as well.
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
When Moses came down, he demanded a separation from the worship of the image of the beast, the golden calf, and the Levites came out and stood with Moses.
Exo 32:26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
After we read of the people in Revelation 13 worshiping the image of the beast and wearing the mark, we read of another group standing with the Lamb on a mountain, just as the Levites stood with Moses.
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
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In considering the mark of the beast, or his name or his number, on the foreheads of the worshipers of the beast, we read a very interesting connection with the Law of Moses.
Deu 6:2-8 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged. (3) Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey. (4) Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: (5) And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. (6) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: (7) And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. [FOREHEAD]

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Associated with the law being obeyed from their hearts, and with their soul and might, we can see a connection to the soul being represented by the forehead, and the might represented by the right hand. These are Hebraic metaphors for soul and might. They indicate one's totally allegiance to the Law of God and full dedication to the Lord. But satan's answer is the mark in the right hand or forehead.

After Moses called for folks to stand by his side, he sent these faithful ones forth to slay the others. Three thousand died that day by the edge of the sword. Similarly, we read of Babylon having fallen, fallen, after the 144,000 stand by the Lamb's side on Mount Zion.
Exo 32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

Rev 14:7-10 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. (8) And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. (9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, (10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Revelation ends with a New Jerusalem, and God and the Lamb are the temple of it. The ultimate journey of Exodus would end with Israel's entrance into Canaan to take Jebusi and convert it into Jerusalem, and build a temple for the Name of the Lord.

.... just saying. My thoughts, anyway.
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.... Most agree that the idea of the name of the Father on the foreheads of the 144,000 is a symbolic picture of the people of God being identified. Nobody believes there will be a literal mark on the foreheads of these people reading "FATHER" or "JESUS", or whatever! Yet the same people will say that the mark or number of the beast on the forehead or right hand....
The forehead is a metaphor for the WILL of a person (Ezekiel 3:8-9 -- note how you must interpret the metaphor using the Bible itself, rather than search into science magazines of the present day). The right hand is a metaphor for a person's POWER (Exodus 15:6; Luke 22:69). The idea of a computer chip placed beneath the skin is simply not what the Bible is speaking about in Revelation 13. One would not know that, though, if one did not search the Bible for interpretations rather than the science magazines of today's world. People would have you believe that a claim for the use of allegories in the Bible is actually an excuse for spiritualizing away the word of God. Nonsense. It is using the Bible itself to interpret the Bible.
Now, here's some wisdom!
I've believed this for some time and it's encouraging to see it come from someone else.
This "mark" is much more clever and subtle than some electronic chip. Much of mankind is already "infected" by the Beast System which has invaded their thoughts. Religion, which includes some of Christianity, is permeated with this "thinking".

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.... Most agree that the idea of the name of the Father on the foreheads of the 144,000 is a symbolic picture of the people of God being identified. Nobody believes there will be a literal mark on the foreheads of these people reading "FATHER" or "JESUS", or whatever! Yet the same people will say that the mark or number of the beast on the forehead or right hand....
The forehead is a metaphor for the WILL of a person (Ezekiel 3:8-9 -- note how you must interpret the metaphor using the Bible itself, rather than search into science magazines of the present day). The right hand is a metaphor for a person's POWER (Exodus 15:6; Luke 22:69). The idea of a computer chip placed beneath the skin is simply not what the Bible is speaking about in Revelation 13. One would not know that, though, if one did not search the Bible for interpretations rather than the science magazines of today's world. People would have you believe that a claim for the use of allegories in the Bible is actually an excuse for spiritualizing away the word of God. Nonsense. It is using the Bible itself to interpret the Bible.
Now, here's some wisdom!
I've believed this for some time and it's encouraging to see it come from someone else.
This "mark" is much more clever and subtle than some electronic chip. Much of mankind is already "infected" by the Beast System which has invaded their thoughts. Religion, which includes some of Christianity, is permeated with this "thinking".
Amen, raven. The bible says if it were possible the very elect would be deceived. A computer chip is a well known interpretation by sinners and those who are lost. One requires SPIRITUAL wisdom to recognize the mark, and not mathematical wisdom or wisdom a tabloid reader can gain about reading of a computer chip.
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Now, here's some wisdom!
I've believed this for some time and it's encouraging to see it come from someone else.
This "mark" is much more clever and subtle than some electronic chip. Much of mankind is already "infected" by the Beast System which has invaded their thoughts. Religion, which includes some of Christianity, is permeated with this "thinking".
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Amen, raven. The bible says if it were possible the very elect would be deceived. A computer chip is a well known interpretation by sinners and those who are lost. One requires SPIRITUAL wisdom to recognize the mark, and not mathematical wisdom or wisdom a tabloid reader can gain about reading of a computer chip.
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THe parallels and threads between the accounts of the Exodus from Egypt and the visions of Revelation are truly amazing! (and you did a great job of lining it up and laying it out)

Did the Israelites not bind something physical on thier hands?
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THe parallels and threads between the accounts of the Exodus from Egypt and the visions of Revelation are truly amazing! (and you did a great job of lining it up and laying it out)

Did the Israelites not bind something physical on thier hands?
They actually did, and they were called phylacteries, but even they knew that was symbolic of loving God's law with soul (forehead) and might (hand), that Moses' actual point was not to actually mean to physically wear them so much as understand God's law in the heart, will and activity was important.
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They actually did, and they were called phylacteries, but even they knew that was symbolic of loving God's law with soul (forehead) and might (hand), that Moses did not actually mean to physically wear them.
Who wore the phylacteries and when were they worn?

(I'm sure I learned this in Bible College but it's completely fuzzed out of my memory)
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They are called tephillin in Hebrew.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tefillin#Who_lays_tefillin

Orthodoxy

In Orthodox Judaism tefillin are laid by males over the age of thirteen. [25] Tefillin are a rite-of-passage for a Jewish boy. Youngsters below the age of thirteen are not considered mature enough to know how to use tefillin or understand their significance. About a month before his Bar Mitzvah [26] a boy will receive his own pair of tefillin and be taught and trained about the laying of tefillin. The commandment of tefillin is given the utmost importance and disregard of this mitzvah is viewed as severe. Neglect of this precept is unheard of in Orthodox circles.

There are conflicting views in Orthodox Judaism as to whether women may lay tefillin. Some Rabbinic authorities and legal codes discourage the practice, such as Mekhilta de-Rebbi Yishmael, who held that just as women are not obligated in the mitzvah of Torah study, so too are they not required to lay tefillin;[27] the Shulchan Aruch, which rules that since tefillin is an obligation which is time bound, women are exempt; the Kaf Hachayim, which cites Targum Yerushalmi's interpretation of the biblical prohibition on wearing clothing worn by the opposite gender; [28] and the Rama, who rules for Ashkenazim that even if a woman wishes to be strict upon herself by laying tefillin, it should be strongly discouraged.[29]

Other sources and authorities permit women to lay tefillin, although some hold that it should be done without the blessing. The Talmud records that Michal, daughter of King Saul laid tefillin,[30] and also mentions in Eruvin 96a that “Michal daughter of the Cushite wore tefillin and the sages did not protest”. [31] Sefer Hachinuch writes that if a woman wishes to don tefillin she may and receives heavenly reward for doing so.[32] Maimonides holds that women should be permitted to perform the mitzvah, but that because it is not mandatory, they should omit the blessing, as it contains the phrase "who has commanded us".[33] The Rashba, however, holds both that women should be permitted to lay tefillin but also that they should recite the berakha, based on the Talmudic comment about Michal, daughter of Saul.[34] Rabbenu Tam holds the same view.[35]

Despite these rulings, historically few women have performed the mitzvah of tefillin. It is known that the custom was followed by some women in medieval France and Germany.[36] Stories of some prominent women laying tefillin exist: Rashi's daughters allegedly wore tefillin[37] (although there is no proof of this), the wife of Chaim ibn Attar[37] and the female Hasidic Rebbe known as Maiden of Ludmir[37] are also held to have performed the mitzvah. In some progressive Modern Orthodox circles, there is a small but growing group of women who assume the obligation of tefillin or lay them occasionally .

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The Conservative movement, which actively encourages performance of the mitzvah of tefillin, holds that women should perform it.[38] Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism do not place emphasis on the mitzvah, but both have egalitarian policies with regard to ritual participation in general.[39] In Karaite Judaism tefillin are not worn in any form. According to the World Karaite Movement, the biblical passages cited for this practice are metaphorical, and mean to "remember the Torah always and treasure it." This is because the commandment in the Torah is "And these words, which I command you this day, shall be upon your heart...And you shall bind them as a sign upon your arm..." Since words cannot be literally upon one's heart, or bound upon one's arm, the entire passage is understood metaphorically.
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