Let's talk about Baptism.

[UltraCon]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Maybe this point has been brought up before but I haven't seen it if it has.

What does "baptism in Jesus name" mean anyway? Is that teaching that one's salvation hinges on the utterance and performance of another man? WHO'S confession is essential here? The person being baptized or the one doing the baptizing?

Teaching that a preacher, or a priest, must perform some sort of ritual on your behalf or you're not a child of God and not forgiven, is placing that preacher, or priest, and their performance directly between the individual and God. It's teaching that another man's performance must be added to Jesus' finished work in order to 'apply' Jesus to an individual.

This simply isn't true. I challenge anyone to find a single scripture teaching that one's salvation hinges on the baptismal ritual performance of another man. It's not there.

If it didn't matter, Paul wouldn't have rebaptized the disciples of John in Jesus Name.

Because both baptism's were done by immersion in water.

Yes the baptizee must believe on Jesus, OBVIOUSLY. But the Baptizer must also Say in Jesus Name! It matters the name said over you.

Why else did Jesus command THEM to baptize in the name.... It mattered how they baptized the person....

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

If it didn't matter, Paul wouldn't have rebaptized the disciples of John in Jesus Name.

Because both baptism's were done by immersion in water.

Yes the baptizee must believe on Jesus, OBVIOUSLY. But the Baptizer must also Say in Jesus Name! It matters the name said over you.

Why else did Jesus command THEM to baptize in the name.... It mattered how they baptized the person....

Where does the bible say the baptizer must say in Jesus Name? Where the bible is silent let us be silent also.

[mrnbcox]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Both of you gentlemen make the same mistake in language here. Instead of using the proper contraction " you're " you have mistakenly used the possessive pronoun " your ."

In the world of fast and sloppy posting this is hardly a matter for correction or complaint. We all just hammer out something on the keyboard and trust that our Internet friends will read past the minor grammatical and spelling errors. It's no big deal.

But I see your argument concerning just how and when "the name of the Lord" is pronounced or used in a baptismal ceremony to be akin to my pointing out your grammar problems.

I have asked many denominational pastors, Bible college instructions, theology professors and others about this issue over the years. I have yet to meet any Christian teacher or leader who ever suggested that baptism NOT be done "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."

There are many different rites associated with baptism in many churches. Some of them involve such a long invocation that the officiant must read it out of a book. I have yet to ever see anyone who performed a baptism or who trained clergy to perform baptisms who ever omitted the name of Jesus Christ from the prayers, statements, liturgy, homilies or even their ad hoc extemporaneous exclamations.

Your complaint here appears to be as silly and pedantic as my pointing out your bad grammar.

Even catholics pray in Jesus name, yet their doctrine is in error as is Baptism.

if they do not say in the name of Jesus for Baptism, its invalid....
Bottom line.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Even catholics pray in Jesus name, yet their doctrine is in error as is Baptism.

if they do not say in the name of Jesus for Baptism, its invalid....
Bottom line.

I like catholics. They at least have good explanations for the things they do.

[UltraCon]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Where does the bible say the baptizer must say in Jesus Name? Where the bible is silent let us be silent also.

He instructed the dicsples on it in Matthew 28:19.

Tell me the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Ghost?
JESUS! He commanded them to baptize in that name....

Now even your common sense should come into play here

[UltraCon]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I like catholics. They at least have good explanations for the things they do.

rofl! Right

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Even catholics pray in Jesus name, yet their doctrine is in error as is Baptism.

if they do not say in the name of Jesus for Baptism, its invalid....
Bottom line.

When you were baptized did the one performing the baptism say, "in the name of Jesus for Baptism?"

I doubt that he did.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

You contradict yourself

So when you die, if you happen to sin right before your death, will you go to hell?


What if you sin but you don't think it is a sin, right before you die, will you go to hell?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

Are people going to hell if they do not get baptized in the Name of Jesus?

Does it matter how your baptized?

Is baptism essential to salvation?

Hopefully I don't appear contradictory here. No what if's, just answers. Now say I believe a false doctrine and say that I'm not really saved and say whatever else you want to say.

Say whatever you want, but what you say does not matter.



1) No.

2) Yes.

3) No.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

rofl! Right

I used to sit and watch as Catholic apologists had Oneness Pentecostals for lunch. It was amazing. The OP's were completely confounded right out of the gate.

My favorite - and this is a good one for UltraCon and Mr. Cox - How can you guys claim to be "apostolics" if you don't even use the Bible the apostles used?

Roman Catholics at least use the same OT as the apostles.