New Bar at Gound Zero

[Pressing-On]

Another concern would be "Sharia Law" which does not allow for separation of church and state.

Let's see what is happening in Minnesota:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vIt...layer_embedded

[Elizabeth]

Pressing did you know they did the same thing in Barcelona Spain after the terrorist bombing? They built a mosque in the same proximity-

They recently were seeking to put a large Mosque near the 2012 London Olympic games and they shut down-
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7055771.ece

[Twisp]

1. They have over 100 mosques in NYC already.

What relevance does that have?

2. It would be located in too close proximity to Ground Zero and it offends the sensibilities of 52% of NYC residents as per recent polling. 31% are in favor and that would be the more liberal Manhattan residents -1, 629,054 pop.

So we should stymie religious freedom if a slight majority wants to? I'll remember that when the "War on Christmas" starts again, lol.

3. As Newt Gingrich has pointed out - "There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over." http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...-mosque/60244/

I don't understand this line of reasoning. Because another country does not allow as much freedom of religion as we do, we should follow that countries lead? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

4. If claiming to want relationship building and healing - why build in an area that offends the sensibilities of the majority and why spend $100 million to do the offending?

Well, they are probably spending $100 million, because, I don't know, it might cost that much to build a cultural center in downtown New York? Moderate Muslims did not bring down the towers, they are hurting along with their fellow Americans. I can see why they would want a center to congregate and build bridges close to the site of the attack.

5. Where is the funding coming from? Rauf says not from foreign sources, but he tells a London newspaper a different story - "And Rauf is rather vague about where the estimated $100 million is coming from to build this 13-story tower. The imam said the money would be raised here. But he told a London newspaper that Muslim nations would also fund this project." http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...-99967009.html

They have already said that they are going to weed out contributions very closely, as to not allow anyone on the government's watch list to contribute, and not accept support from persons with anti-American views or agendas:
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/...bref=obnetwork

I believe Mayor Bloomberg said it best:

"People say, well, you know, 'Do they have the money? Can they raise the money? Where does it come from?' " the mayor said Friday on his WOR-AM radio show with John Gambling.

"I don't know, and government shouldn't -- do you really want every time they pass the basket in your church and you throw a buck in, they run over and say, 'Okay, now, you know, where do you come from? Who are your parents? Where'd you get this money?'
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...omes_from.html

6. Why call it the Cordoba House, initially, and then say you are not alluding to the Caliphate of Cordoba, which we know, "The rule of the Caliphate is known as the heyday of Muslim presence in the Iberian peninsula." Caliphate of Córdoba - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate_of_C%C3%B3rdoba

7. Why change the name to Park51 after the uproar over "Cordoba House"? “Cordoba,” in Islamic symbolic terms, means Islamic rule in the West. http://lonestartimes.squawkboxnoise.com/?p=3081

They obviously realized the name would draw even more controversy, and decided to change it to something less inflammatory. Good idea on their part.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

Pressing did you know they did the same thing in Barcelona Spain after the terrorist bombing? They built a mosque in the same proximity-

They recently were seeking to put a large Mosque near the 2012 London Olympic games and they shut down-
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7055771.ece

Yes, I did. Liberals don't want to listen to it.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, I did. Liberals don't want to listen to it.

I am shocked- we should be outraged. But instead I am reading those siding with those who would like to destroy us, and take away our religious freedoms.

They are abusing our freedoms to push their beliefs, they do not have any tolerance for what we believe they have agenda that they are not ashamed to push on us.

Anyway, I am getting stirred up here.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

What relevance does that have?

Uhhh, that it's not like they aren't already in the city. So, why build another in a place that is offensive to the majority of Americans. There are not enough so-called moderates speaking out against so-called radical Islam.

So we should stymie religious freedom if a slight majority wants to? I'll remember that when the "War on Christmas" starts again, lol.

Uhhhh, because there was intentional murder that took place two blocks away and part of one of the airplanes landed in the Burlington Coat Factory. The building was also on the table for a landmark status.

There is historical significance that is being overlooked. Daniel Badger, who was the architect for this building, already has a number of buildings that have been given landmark status.

311 Broadway was given landmark status (January 2010) because the Landmark Commission said that there were very few Italian Renaissance, palazzo-style buildings left in the city. The fact is that BOTH buildings are Italian Renaissance, palazzo-style architecture and they are in the same neighborhood. So, why is one being granted landmark statues and the other is not?

According to the landmarks commission, the building has historical, architectural and cultural significance.

* It is an example of New York’s cast-iron architecture, built in 1857 in the Italian Renaissance style, to house a prominent Manhattan shipping firm. The building is like many of the store and loft structures that dominated the dry goods warehouse districts of Lower Manhattan. It was used between 1911 and 1925 as the headquarters of Merck & Company, the pharmeceuticals giant. It was later converted into a discount clothing store.
* The five-story building’s storefront is comprised of a cast iron Corinthian colonnade.

Yet, they still voted it not a landmark. Hmmmmmm....

I don't understand this line of reasoning. Because another country does not allow as much freedom of religion as we do, we should follow that countries lead? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

The Fort Hood shooter was being advised by the imam of a small Falls Church VA mosque who has since fled the country and calls for jihad and death to Americans from overseas. Two other 9-11 killers also were engaged with this mosque. We had two other 9-11 killers coming out of a mosque in Los Angeles. So, that just makes for suspicion.

Germany has just closed a mosque because of terrorist ties.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=129091973

Well, they are probably spending $100 million, because, I don't know, it might cost that much to build a cultural center in downtown New York? Moderate Muslims did not bring down the towers, they are hurting along with their fellow Americans. I can see why they would want a center to congregate and build bridges close to the site of the attack.

LOL! Uh, right, dude. LOL!

They have already said that they are going to weed out contributions very closely, as to not allow anyone on the government's watch list to contribute, and not accept support from persons with anti-American views or agendas:
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/...bref=obnetwork

My article above shows Rauf LYING about where he is getting his funding.

I believe Mayor Bloomberg said it best:

"People say, well, you know, 'Do they have the money? Can they raise the money? Where does it come from?' " the mayor said Friday on his WOR-AM radio show with John Gambling.

"I don't know, and government shouldn't -- do you really want every time they pass the basket in your church and you throw a buck in, they run over and say, 'Okay, now, you know, where do you come from? Who are your parents? Where'd you get this money?'
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...omes_from.html

Bloomberg's poll ratings have dropped under 50% to 49% for the first time in 5 years.

They obviously realized the name would draw even more controversy, and decided to change it to something less inflammatory. Good idea on their part.

Yes, it was a good idea. We sure don't want to hide in the plain sight, do we? LOL!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

I am shocked- we should be outraged. But instead I am reading those siding with those who would like to destroy us, and take away our religious freedoms.

They are abusing our freedoms to push theirs, they do not have any tolerance for what we believe they have agenda that they are not ashamed to push on us.

Anyway, I am getting stirred up here.

Yes, Liz. They know that they can use our freedom to subjugate us to theirs.

I met a young woman from Turkey about 18 years ago at the Galleria in Houston. She said, "You Americans don't understand. You are losing your freedom by your freedom." Chilling words and none so true!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Twisp

American Muslims were killed in the attacks also. Why shouldn't they be able to build a mosque/cultural center close to ground zero to commemorate all who were lost?

No group should be discriminated against simply because of their religion.

Good thoughts. It is thoughts like this that people will not like. I don't mind it.

[Twisp]

Uhhh, that it's not like they aren't already in the city. So, why build another in a place that is offensive to the majority of Americans. There are not enough so-called moderates speaking out against so-called radical Islam.

So because there are other spots to congregate, this religious center should not be built? Do you extend that to all religions, or just Muslim? At what number does there become too many of one religious center, and who gets to decide that?

Come on, that is a weak argument.

Uhhhh, because there was intentional murder that took place two blocks away and part of one of the airplanes landed in the Burlington Coat Factory. The building was also on the table for a landmark status.

They are Americans, they were attacked also.

There is historical significance that is being overlooked. Daniel Badger, who was the architect for this building, already has a number of buildings that have been given landmark status.

311 Broadway was given landmark status (January 2010) because the Landmark Commission said that there were very few Italian Renaissance, palazzo-style buildings left in the city. The fact is that BOTH buildings are Italian Renaissance, palazzo-style architecture and they are in the same neighborhood. So, why is one being granted landmark statues and the other is not?

According to the landmarks commission, the building has historical, architectural and cultural significance.

* It is an example of New York’s cast-iron architecture, built in 1857 in the Italian Renaissance style, to house a prominent Manhattan shipping firm. The building is like many of the store and loft structures that dominated the dry goods warehouse districts of Lower Manhattan. It was used between 1911 and 1925 as the headquarters of Merck & Company, the pharmeceuticals giant. It was later converted into a discount clothing store.
* The five-story building’s storefront is comprised of a cast iron Corinthian colonnade.

Yet, they still voted it not a landmark. Hmmmmmm....

Not too hard to find out why it was not designated a landmark, if you care to look it up.
"The Landmarks commissioners, appointed by Bloomberg, said the 152-year-old Park Place building was not worth preserving because the architect is unknown and many similar cast-iron buildings are already protected in TriBeCa’s historic districts. “It does not really stand out,” said Frederick Bland, a commissioner. Bland and others added that they were also swayed by the fact that local preservation groups did not fight to save the building.
“The actions, or inactions, of these watchdogs of historic resources spoke loudly to me,” Bland said."

http://dnainfo.com/20100803/downtown...g-this-morning

The Fort Hood shooter was being advised by the imam of a small Falls Church VA mosque who has since fled the country and calls for jihad and death to Americans from overseas. Two other 9-11 killers also were engaged with this mosque. We had two other 9-11 killers coming out of a mosque in Los Angeles. So, that just makes for suspicion.

Has nothing do with this mosque or it's backers.

Germany has just closed a mosque because of terrorist ties.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=129091973

When this future mosque has ties to the terrorist community, I will call for it to be closed down also.

My article above shows Rauf LYING about where he is getting his funding.

I don't see in your article where he said he was exclusively getting money from the states or not and not from Muslim countries. Not a lie.

Bloomberg's poll ratings have dropped under 50% to 49% for the first time in 5 years.

Has nothing to do with this.


You call for religious freedom, yet you want to suppress their religious freedom. It seems very hypocritical.

Stop with the fear-mongering and scare tactics, and you will see that the facts do not support the outrage.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

I am shocked- we should be outraged. But instead I am reading those siding with those who would like to destroy us, and take away our religious freedoms.

They are abusing our freedoms to push their beliefs, they do not have any tolerance for what we believe they have agenda that they are not ashamed to push on us.

Anyway, I am getting stirred up here.

Lol, they are not pushing their freedom, they are Americans. Their freedoms are the same as ours. They are simply using the same freedom of religion that any American has.