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09-04-2010, 04:27 PM
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Re: The Wizard Behind the Curtain
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ILG,
Beautiful, transparent post. I feel your pain, and while our course was somewhat different, I understand. I remember thinking to myself whenever doubt would appear "but these men who I love and respect believe and preach it, so it has to be true!".
We are now in a church that we absolutely love, but I will tell you something, transparency is what makes this church unique. Our pastor and assistant pastor make no bones about the fact that they are fallible, and so money records are always accessible and they are always wanting ideas.
I really appreciate what you wrote and I am praying for you, for your hurt, and for all of the people who let you down (my childhood and yours have much in common). God has plan, and often fallible people are a part of it, but through it all He adores us, and the fact that you are here and seeking cyber fellowship with us liberals is a great thing- YOU GO GIRL!!! I got your back
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Thanks Pro31:28. I appreciate your words. I'm glad you are happy where you are.
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09-04-2010, 04:32 PM
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Re: What it is
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It also happens in Trinitarian churches
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Yeah. We were going to a trinitarian church for a while. I kept seeing the wizard behind the curtain there too. That's my point. It really is a people problem. The sad part was all the promises that were made about being special to God and all that. We were no more special than the next guy.
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09-04-2010, 04:47 PM
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Re: What it is
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Originally Posted by ILG
Yeah. We were going to a trinitarian church for a while. I kept seeing the wizard behind the curtain there too. That's my point. It really is a people problem. The sad part was all the promises that were made about being special to God and all that. We were no more special than the next guy.
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ILG, I just read this thread! Once again, my heart goes out to you and your dilemma. It really IS a people problem. Not everyone is nice.
I'll say a prayer for you. If nothing else I hope you find a bit of peace in your current turmoil.
Bless you! 
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09-04-2010, 04:48 PM
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Re: What it is
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ILG, I just read this thread! Once again, my heart goes out to you and your dilemma. It really IS a people problem. Not everyone is nice.
I'll say a prayer for you. If nothing else I hope you find a bit of peace in your current turmoil.
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Umm, what current turmoil?
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09-04-2010, 04:56 PM
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Re: The Wizard Behind the Curtain
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Originally Posted by ILG
Yes, the problems are human problems. The veil has been lifted. The Wizard of Oz is actually behind the curtain just making things look powerful, incredible and amazing, when the God that they claim exclusive rights to, is actually everywhere and a real promoter of justice and truly, no respector of persons. He is the One I have been serving all along.
I don't go to church anymore. Not often anyway. I keep seeing Wizards behind curtains. I don't know if that will ever change. But, the God I believe in, the God that saved me, I believe that He still believes in justice, in love, in not being a respector of persons and that someday, He will make all this right. He is the God I love and the One I follow. I believe He is not a Wizard behind a curtain.
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Umm, what current turmoil?
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It has to be troubling when those who are to be our spiritual leaders are exposed as disingenuous or even worse frauds themselves. I have not experienced anything that extreme, and I am sorry for you.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-04-2010, 05:01 PM
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Re: The Wizard Behind the Curtain
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It has to be troubling when those who are to be our spiritual leaders are exposed as disingenuous or even worse frauds themselves. I have not experienced anything that extreme, and I am sorry for you.
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Well, it happened quite a long time ago. We left five years ago and it was very hard to do, but I am so much better off and so much happier. I very much enjoy writing and I write about what I know and what people can relate to.
I'm glad you have not experienced anything that extreme but many have. I will take all the prayers I can get, I am certainly not opposed to that.
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09-04-2010, 07:23 PM
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Re: The Wizard Behind the Curtain
Great post! I didn't read any bitterness or vitriol. You were honest, straight forward and to the point. The point is that "what God ordains, man profanes!" The problem is that too many men don't believe that. They believe that THEY are ordained and therefore are God's mouthpiece and are not to be questioned etc. Certainly not all and hopefully not most. But unfortunately, this story is not isolated to ILG. 
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09-04-2010, 07:23 PM
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Re: The Wizard Behind the Curtain
The earth is the Lord's and all that is in it. God is at work in the whole earth, all are His creation, ultimately He will not lose any.
Seekers always run up against the people problem, eventually the only answer is one's own relationship with God. Religion will condemn this fact, because the house of cards comes crashing down when one comes to this true.
I go to church, but it is a really different community of believers, flawed, but seeking to follow Jesus. We don't believe that we are the only Christians, rather we are Christians only.
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09-04-2010, 07:30 PM
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Re: What it is
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Originally Posted by Sam
But if God "leads" ILG to a "trinity" church, some of us would really think that was wrong.
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God will never lead someone to a trinity church....Only Sam will. 
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09-04-2010, 09:07 PM
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Re: The Wizard Behind the Curtain
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
Great post! I didn't read any bitterness or vitriol. You were honest, straight forward and to the point. The point is that "what God ordains, man profanes!" The problem is that too many men don't believe that. They believe that THEY are ordained and therefore are God's mouthpiece and are not to be questioned etc. Certainly not all and hopefully not most. But unfortunately, this story is not isolated to ILG. |
Thanks, MOW, glad you enjoyed it! I appreciate the positive feedback!
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