Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movement

[vrblackwell]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Coadie... I'm not big on Unions... but I am in one and I know the history of labor laws. If not for those fighting for social justice in this area you're kids would still be working in sweat shops. So get real.

Unions are not what they were when my father was in one. Now they are corrupt arms of the democrat party and are helping to destroy the economy.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by kindofbelieve

Exactly... except that I don't think there should be any government sponsored anything... if we as normal people did what the government does -- we'd be considered criminal.

Well, yes. Take Bernie Madoff, for example. He is sitting in prison for his Ponzi scheme, but the government has bigger ponzi scheme's than Bernie had.

However, the government has to do some things. I don't think we can be government-less. How much government we should have....I am not sure. But way less than we do now.

[vrblackwell]

Originally Posted by coadie

Kinda the opposite of the scriptures?

Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to Him, 2and He began to teach them, saying:

3Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

5Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness,

for they will be filled.

7Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.

8Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

9Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.

10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Social justice makes a lot of demands.

That is a gross misapplication of scripture. Nowhere in those verses do I find Jesus saying that we should steal from those who have worked hard to support the lazy and irresponsible.

Of course we are to show charity to the elderly, the weak, the handicapped, and even those are are simply going through hard times. But know where in scripture will you find that we should support those who are lazy and those who have been irresponsible.

In Matthew 25 Jesus gave talents to three different men, and by liberal standards he was not fair about it. He gave some more then the others. He ended up taking the one from the irresponsible man and gave it to the responsible man. Mean old Jesus left that man with nothing.

And you will never find in scripture Jesus supporting anyone being forced to be charitable. That would be stealing.

The term "social justice" has taken on a new meaning than what it once had. The liberal democrats have stolen the term and now it simply means stealing from those who have worked hard and give it to the lazy and irresponsible so they will show up on election day and vote for them.

This is destroying America and creating a country of lazy idiots who thinks the party will last forever. However, we are now getting to a point to where the lazy and unproductive are becoming more in number then the hard working. 45% of Americans now depend on some kind of support from the government. This country is on a quick path to destruction and it seems as though people are to stupid to recognize what the problem is.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by vrblackwell

That is a gross misapplication of scripture. Nowhere in those verses do I find Jesus saying that we should steal from those who have worked hard to support the lazy and irresponsible.

Of course we are to show charity to the elderly, the weak, the handicapped, and even those are are simply going through hard times. But know where in scripture will you find that we should support those who are lazy and those who have been irresponsible.

In Matthew 25 Jesus gave talents to three different men, and by liberal standards he was not fair about it. He gave some more then the others. He ended up taking the one from the irresponsible man and gave it to the responsible man. Mean old Jesus left that man with nothing.

And you will never find in scripture Jesus supporting anyone being forced to be charitable. That would be stealing.

The term "social justice" has taken on a new meaning than what it once had. The liberal democrats have stolen the term and now it simply means stealing from those who have worked hard and give it to the lazy and irresponsible so they will show up on election day and vote for them.

This is destroying America and creating a country of lazy idiots who thinks the party will last forever. However, we are now getting to a point to where the lazy and unproductive are becoming more in number then the hard working. 45% of Americans now depend on some kind of support from the government. This country is on a quick path to destruction and it seems as though people are to stupid to recognize what the problem is.

You are correct. The scriptures don't show the social justice agenda. That is why I posted what Jesus told us to do and be.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by coadie

You mentioned charity. That is different than social justice.

By the way, I understand legislation. I have also read the constitution. We are endowed by the Creator the right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness.

It doesn't say right to an equal share of prosperity.
Actually Mormoms are very capitalistic. They are distinctly against socialism.

I'm not sure how you equate all those who promote social justice as socialists. Seems to be a great leap of logic, coadie.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Labor unions are just one element of the social justice movement. And I'm not to big on their function today.

Correct, they served a purpose and now are just as much part of the problem today. But they were deliverance for the industrial workers.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by coadie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95bcEb1rV18

Al Sharpton talks it up. He drives an Escalade. Not very equal.

This isn't about Al Sharpton, nor is he the sum total of all who believe in Social Justice. Many would argue that though some of Sharpton's efforts have been noble, they are muddled together with multiple attention-seeking agendas.

I also think it's hypocritical to get filthy rich off being a charity coordinator.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by kindofbelieve

Social Justice is slavery with religious garments on. Any charity that is forced is not charity but slavery -- or theft. Take your pick. But what do you expect from a group of people who want to help people with other people's money?

I have no problem helping my fellow man. I do it often. I have a problem with some idiot with utopian stars in his/her eyes using a gun to steal my money and give it to someone else... after taking an 80% cut, of course.

Politically, I agree. So maybe we need to clarify if this is about politics or social justice? They sometimes meet in the street, but they are polar opposites.

The way a collective nation takes care of its disenfranchised, poor and minorities is important. If there's a voice for the Amos' of our day, it's to support policies that both make good sense, and are the best for making sure the powerful don't trample over the powerless.

Again, the judgement of God against Israel was constantly over this issue. Even the "sins of Sodom!"

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by kindofbelieve

For the record, that also includes stealing my money to help others obtain democracy, or obtain foreign oil, or any other form of government intervention.

It's not stealing if it's a Democracy. An unpopular policy can be appealed. An unpopular idea can be vetoed by those representatives you and I voted for. Is it truly "stealing?"

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by ILG

I agree that we need social justice. It's just that it probably should not be government sponsored except for police and judges and the like. I think social programs are mostly a waste.

I mostly agree.

However, we are no longer a communal society where we take care of our own. We are a world of cities, a world of corporations and profits. If completely unchecked, the powerful can dominate and oppress the powerless. Speaking for justice on a governmental level doesn't mean once must support policies that don't make sense or that turn charity into an obligatory matter (though the Bible certainly had obligatory governmental measures to care for the poor). It does mean to be a voice of justice on each issue, no matter the political grandstanding behind the issues.