Why Are We So Scared?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Ridiculous. You sould like Harold Camping here.

I swear I've never "soulded" in my life.

I don't even know who Herold Camping is. However, I do know that many pastors do face unbelievable pressure to people please... from carnal congregants and the pressures of having turned a calling into a career. They need to be paid. Of course they'll seek to people please.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

Creeping liberalism and the political correct agenda make Christians go on the defensive.

If we preach against fornication and homosexuality, we are labelled haters.
I get called a homophobe and another calls me bigoted. Just preech the bible cover to cover and let the Spirit move.

I notice how nasty the liberals were when we and the survivors expressed rejection of a Mosque.

I have a mixed opinion on this one. You see, there are sins that a preach CAN rant and preach against in his church like homosexuality, abortion, TV, dress codes, etc. Frankly, I think that's weak preaching. Anyone can preach and rant against a sin that less than 5% of the church struggle with, a sin that 90% are willing to cheer and yet compromise on, or 100% find reprehensible.

But preach about loving your enemies... blessing those who curse you... being like Christ and not rendering violence for violence... preach against being a pawn of earthly governments engaged in wars of hegemony and blood lust... ah... then you'll get the congregation up in arms. Preach against lying. A lot of the deeply personal things are avoided for candy sticks.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I swear I've never "soulded" in my life.

I don't even know who Herold Camping is. However, I do know that many pastors do face unbelievable pressure to people please... from carnal congregants and the pressures of having turned a calling into a career. They need to be paid. Of course they'll seek to people please.

Sound, excuse me. And it's "Harold", not "Herold."

I'm sure many pastors DO feel this pressure, but it's no different than it's been for eons of time. It's even addressed in the bible. But there is a pressure to please people in home-groups, too. There's a pressure to please the next-door neighbor concerning the tree that's overhanging your fence. It's not a "Church thing", it's a "Life thing."

The "Seeker" church is often judged as trying to please people when in reality, they're trying (for the most part) to create an environment in which they can be as effective as possible. The misconceptions about "Seeker" churches are the worst I've seen in religious history.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith
Ridiculous. You sould like Harold Camping here.

who is that?
Another word salad post?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Sound, excuse me. And it's "Harold", not "Herold."

I'm sure many pastors DO feel this pressure, but it's no different than it's been for eons of time. It's even addressed in the bible. But there is a pressure to please people in home-groups, too. There's a pressure to please the next-door neighbor concerning the tree that's overhanging your fence. It's not a "Church thing", it's a "Life thing."

The "Seeker" church is often judged as trying to please people when in reality, they're trying (for the most part) to create an environment in which they can be as effective as possible. The misconceptions about "Seeker" churches are the worst I've seen in religious history.

How many hundreds of years have you been "seeing" religious history?

After I recieved the baptism of the Holy Ghost, I saw things in churches I had not noticed before.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Sound, excuse me. And it's "Harold", not "Herold."

I'm sure many pastors DO feel this pressure, but it's no different than it's been for eons of time. It's even addressed in the bible. But there is a pressure to please people in home-groups, too. There's a pressure to please the next-door neighbor concerning the tree that's overhanging your fence. It's not a "Church thing", it's a "Life thing."

The "Seeker" church is often judged as trying to please people when in reality, they're trying (for the most part) to create an environment in which they can be as effective as possible. The misconceptions about "Seeker" churches are the worst I've seen in religious history.

I hear about "seeker sensitive" churches. But what's so wrong with them specifically? I get peeved about people pleasing... but is being "seeker sensitive" people pleasing?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Why not teach and preach the word with clarity and compassion,and let the manifest presence of God do it's work ? We must pray and seek God and study to show ourselves approved,yet there is work that only The Holy Ghost can do.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sam

One thing that has influenced churches is the desire to be "seeker friendly." We want visitors to feel welcome. We don't want to run them off or scare them off. All of those can be good things when used with wisdom.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Sam

One thing that has influenced churches is the desire to be "seeker friendly." We want visitors to feel welcome. We don't want to run them off or scare them off. All of those can be good things when used with wisdom.

"Seeker sensitive" They use surveys and focus groups to shape the messaging. It is like market research.
In revelation, the luke warm endtimes church has the laiety call the shots.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by coadie

"Seeker sensitive" They use surveys and focus groups to shape the messaging. It is like market research.
In revelation, the luke warm endtimes church has the laiety call the shots.

Word salad alert. It's LAITY.